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Old 09/13/06, 3:56 PM   #31
Phlis
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Draenei Shaman
 
Magtheridon
If you haven't looked already there are new versions of every applicable skill, multi, aimed, arcane, aspect of the hawk, all up at curse gaming. I linked them in a post which escapes me at the moment, but there are also a bunch of pet skills so it may be feasible to create a hunter + pet dps spreadsheet of somekind

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Old 09/13/06, 3:57 PM   #32
Zurai
Bald Bull
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Whisperwind
Ranged weapon DPS increased more than 10% - it's closer to 20% actually. Rhok went up to 54 DPS, striker's mark is 48.x, ash is 55. Still, the values should be easy to change locally. Thanks Sarana.

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Old 09/13/06, 5:35 PM   #33
KraJee
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Murloc Hunter
 
Destromath
I'm still getting incorrect values from the Stat Damage Ratio box (I've sent you an email with a saved spreadsheet - hope you don't mind) with equal sets of gear. Oddly enough, it only appears to happen on Set-B when I'm using a survival spec to do calculations with. The Set-A survival build appears to work (save some buffing issues I mention below).

Also, I've done some additional "playing" and it appears that if you add a buff like Leader of the Pack to the custom buffed list, it devalues the value, in AP, of +1 crit. It doesn't seem to me that adding raw crit % would change this equivalence of +1 crit = agi = AP at all. A similar result is happening with mongoose pots. Blessing of Kings also causes the value to go down, but I think you mentioned previously that you were still working on that.

Occasionally I was getting negative numbers for the custom buffed section of the +1 crit -> AP equivalence, and I believe it has something to do with the way you're calculating in Furious Howl. I did the following scenario :

Full strikers w/ complimentary CS set pieces, blackhand's breadth, kiss of the spider, master dragonslayer's ring, bronze signet ring (E), talisman of connivery, barb of the sand reaver, huhuran's stinger, and thorium arrows. I also used the default enchants for each piece.

I unchecked all the buffs in the custom buff section save AotH and TSA (I was using standard marks spec without surefooted), to make the self buffed = custom buffed. After I did this, I checked Furious Howl, and I got a nevative value for the agility and AP equivalence of +1 crit.

The DPS of the custom buffed version went up slightly (as expected), but as I said, the Stat Damage Ratio seems a little horked.

Thanks for all the hard work! The spreadsheet looks so pretty :D

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Old 09/13/06, 5:53 PM   #34
Elendril
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Ner'zhul
according to your spreadsheet, with full cryptstalker, going from ash'jrethul to nerubian slavemaker is only an 8-10 dps increase. this seems...off to me :-P

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Old 09/13/06, 6:06 PM   #35
Pontiac
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Azjol-Nerub
Should be more like 30, if my math is right.

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Old 09/13/06, 6:34 PM   #36
Largo
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Ner'zhul
According to the 3.1 spreadsheet released here, Full Crypt, swapping XBoS and NS as 5/31/15, was about 28 dps difference with Optimal DPS and Self-Buffed.

Possibly 3.1->3.12 equation change that broke that?

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Old 09/13/06, 8:49 PM   #37
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by Elendril
according to your spreadsheet, with full cryptstalker, going from ash'jrethul to nerubian slavemaker is only an 8-10 dps increase.
I got a 23.6 dps increase with buffs and a 29 dps increase unbuffed. Did you look at the clipped cycle? That one is lower dps.

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Old 09/14/06, 9:09 AM   #38
Azulor
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Mal'Ganis
You do indeed have mad excel skills, thx much.

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Old 09/14/06, 3:25 PM   #39
Sarana
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Doomhammer
Phlis: If you have any information to the new spells and such, just post the link and I’ll and it onto the list.
I have thought about adding pets to the spreadsheet but then I realized that they can be affected by glancing blows, dodges and parries. They also have their own focus regeneration. I don’t understand melee enough to add pets, sorry :(

Zurai: Spiffy, I’ll change the ranged weapons to 20%.

KraJee: I think I have finally fixed the problem. Somewhere in the math page, it was using a value from the wrong column. I also fixed Furious Howl and added kings and LR, thanks. As for the AP values getting lower. That does not mean they are less valuable. It actually means the value is increasing as you get more critical strike. The closer something gets to 1:1 with crit, the better! (I think… my head hurts :blink:)

Elendril: Hmm… I tried putting in the values myself and I got 28.4 DPS unbuffed and 29.99 DPS custom buffed.

Thanks for the input so far, everyone!

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Old 09/15/06, 10:02 AM   #40
Fendryl
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Malfurion
It still cracks me up that the single biggest 1 item upgrade for me is to stop being a cheapskate & use thorium or icethreaded ammo =(

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Old 09/15/06, 10:42 AM   #41
Phlis
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Magtheridon
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...hp?id=8181&p=6

Not everything is a hunter skill, but aimed, multi, arcane, Aspect of the Hawk, TSA, and even Volley, along with the new ranks of Bite, Claw, Scropid Poison, Charge, etc.

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Old 09/19/06, 3:16 PM   #42
Sarana
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Hefty update today:
I finally got around to adding ranged weapon classifications (Bow, Crossbow, and Gun) as well as the Dwarf and Troll racial +5. It will be shown under Set-A/B and only if their racial is the same as the chosen ranged weapon’s class. I also renamed “Necklace of Kel’Thuzad†to “Stormrage’s Talisman of Seething.â€

In the Burning Crusader spreadsheet, I added new ranks of spells and buffs. Keep in mind that none of the data is official yet and most likely data mined. Also, note that these are 62+ spells on a level 60 character. The values used were:
Aimed Shot VII: +870 Damage, 350 Mana
Multi Shot VI: +205 Damage, 275 Mana
Raptor Strike: +170 Damage
Aspect of the Hawk: 155 RAP
Trueshot Aura: 125 R/AP

Enjoy!

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Old 10/02/06, 3:27 AM   #43
Tinuva
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Hi,

I would love to download this spreadsheet and use it a bit, but for some reason the link just doesn't seem to work for me.

Thank you.

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Old 10/03/06, 1:29 PM   #44
Jembari
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Troll Hunter
 
Blackhand
Been trying the link to the spreadsheet for a few days and it's always comming up invalid, seems like the link is broken.

Thanks for the work you have put into this.

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Old 10/03/06, 2:19 PM   #45
Sarana
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Hm, looks like Quickdump.com is down completely. I'll try adding a mirror on Filefront.

http://files.filefront.com/Calculati.../fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/Calculati.../fileinfo.html

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