Best rogue trinkets?? - Page 3

mxy · 09/05/06, 6:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

Originally Posted by Scanlon

What do folks think about using Renataki's for raiding?

Maybe I'm in the wrong but I find that using is (combat daggers) helps generate CPs fast and get SnD going earlier for longer, provides great burst for those situations when it's required (controllable burst also) and suits itself to wide variety of situations.

I'm not a math guru, but I've asked a math person in my guild and he came back with Renataki's as better than most other pre BWL trinkets as long as its use its maximized.

What do the math folks here think?

I think Renataki's is 60 energy every 300 seconds. It's 1 backstab every 5 minutes.

Compare that to Earthstrike, which will add 280 AP for 20 seconds (so 3-4 backstabs at boosted AP, plus 280 AP bonus to your white damage over that time frame) - every 2 minutes. Which is almost always macroed with Blade Flurry to boost that bonus, and typically once per fight is macroed with Adrenaline Rush as well.

Compare that to BHB. Model it as a 2% bonus backstab on every backstab, plus white damage bonuses (close enough to true for government work). The 2% per backstab, with 10 BS per minute, equals 50 BS per 5 minutes, equals 1 whole extra backstab - and we've ignored the white damage bonuses BHB provides.

Renataki's is just a poor trinket in anything but PvP - farm tea and wear useful trinkets instead.

Renataki's has a 3 minute cooldown, not 5. No doubt RCT is of little benefit in a raiding environment compared to BHB or ES though.

Zerianne · 09/05/06, 7:41 PM

DFT > HoJ > BHB > Rune of the Guard Captain (Horde only) > DM Trinky

Best is from left to right, use what you got.

Activated trinkets are ok on trash mobs if you use ItemRack to swap them in and out (especially when you stack them with Blade Flurry), but definitely worry about what your 2 passive trinkets are first. Activated trinkets are basically toys. Except for Kiss of the Spider, that's just hot. :)

Playered · 09/05/06, 9:49 PM

I've heard of nothing but praise from ES, especially with AR being open to dagger rogues, being able to combine ES/BF/AR enabled some of our rogues to significantly improve their damage than if they didnt, and aparently those ones with DFT/ES dont want KoTS either o.o

discofiend · 09/05/06, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by probiscus

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=6692

22 pages of good stuff. Any number of responses in that thread can answer both Disco's and Scanlon's questions.

fair enough, ty for the link.

Pixelated · 09/05/06, 10:56 PM

How come no one rates Earth Strike? I have found it to be one of the biggest DPS items I have. It can be used every two minutes with flurry, and every 6 with AR(if you hold up AR for a minute). If you look at the 280AP every 2 mins its about a 48AP passive trinket, but combined with cooldowns its quite insane.

probiscus · 09/05/06, 11:13 PM

AR is on a 5 minute timer. Unless I'm in bizarro world.

• Wodin · 09/05/06, 11:18 PM

Crawling out from the sheets(being sick during the last bit of summer fucking sucks).

Rogue trinkets are as follows:

Kiss of the Spider > Slayer's Crest > Drake Fang Talisman > Hand of Justice == Earthstrike > BHB > Rune of the Guard Captain > Dire Maul trinket

Earthstrike works out to ~47AP as a passive trinket, but if you're willing to put in the extra work to make sure it's always linked to your Blade Flurry you can get enough extra out of it to be better than Hand of Justice. The main factor is how much work you're willing to put in and whether or not you're willing to make sure it's maximized.

AR is indeed on a 5 minute timer now.

Kegsta · 09/06/06, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Wodin

Rogue trinkets are as follows:

Kiss of the Spider > Slayer's Crest > Drake Fang Talisman > Hand of Justice == Earthstrike > BHB > Rune of the Guard Captain > Dire Maul trinket

where do you put seal of the dawn in your list for nax (+81AP) better or worse than earthstrike? Because our rogues are currently using earthstrike over it, although we arn't up to the just flat dps fights yet (killed the easy 5 only)

• Wodin · 09/06/06, 12:19 AM

It's better than Hand of Justice/ES by a fair margin, to the points where someone forgets to swap it in on Patchwerk are obvious.

Xard · 09/06/06, 12:51 AM

I'd really like to do the math to see how trinkets hold up when you save them for cooldowns, and vice versa.

ie, I use badge of the swarmguard and -love it- with AR, and during the beginning sequences of the fight its very powerful. I normally save blade flurry to always go with it (losing ~45 seconds of BF cooldown) to try and maximize my damage. As it stands, would the multiplicative effect from the badge be powerful enough to save my AR 1 minute in order to go with the third badge use? Not really sure, but personally I really enjoy hitting them all together, though I know thats not necessarily the best thing for PvE dps :)

Kalman · 09/06/06, 2:01 AM

Meh, 3 minutes for Renataki's or 5 minutes, it's still a mediocre trinket.

Samurai · 09/06/06, 2:17 AM

That slayers crest trinket will be the best trinket for a long time just because of the way to you can stack it with other cooldowns.

Bladeflurry / SnD / Berzerking / AR and trinket up at the same time, the same way you do it with ES / BotSG, just they are pretty inferior.

Faytte · 09/06/06, 7:50 AM

Originally Posted by Samurai

That slayers crest trinket will be the best trinket for a long time just because of the way to you can stack it with other cooldowns.

Bladeflurry / SnD / Berzerking / AR and trinket up at the same time, the same way you do it with ES / BotSG, just they are pretty inferior.

Hrm, I think KOTS is gonna be better, as all three of its properties naturally scale with your characters dps output, where as the Slayers Crest (however amazing it is) is going to fall out of favor at some point for either something that scales better or something with even more +AP (thinking BC here!).

Infenwe · 09/06/06, 8:02 AM

Originally Posted by Wodin

Rogue trinkets are as follows:

Kiss of the Spider > Slayer's Crest > Drake Fang Talisman > Hand of Justice == Earthstrike > BHB > Rune of the Guard Captain > Dire Maul trinket

Where would you put Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom in that list? Obviously it doesn't scale at all, but when I with my alt rogue was combat swords (now daggers with Perdition's, but I haven't had time to test how much of my dps it is now) and 4/8 NS + ZG/AQ20 stuff + Brutaility Blade it was about 3.3% of my total damage. So it's definately up there with BHB until you get at least tier2 as far as I can tell.

sp00n · 09/06/06, 8:28 AM

One of our rogues had the card equipped on our patchwerk kill.
Lightning Strike (Nature) 4.141 2 %

Considering that he only did 448 DPS on that fight and that it doesn't scale, I would say: it sucks.