seems that post expansion there will be 2 classes of guilds: those that completed all the content (kill kel) prior to expansion, and those that have not.

kinda sad, but also could be a cool thing within the community. Like the 4 minute mile, plenty have done it, but most will not have.

the number of lvl 1 alts on magtheridon was quite amazing i must say. this was from yesterday after word got out that they wiped at 1%

http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fanclubvm2.jpg

Then its hardly evened out. If Horde go all out and get every flask, potion, and world buff that they can, it will have a huge impact on their survivability and dps. If the Alliance don't need to go to the same lengths to get a similar level of performance, imagine what they could do if they did go to the same lengths.

Isn't that pretty much the only two possible options? Killing him, and...not?


I don't see why that's a bad thing. Sure, I think it'd be neat to be part of a group of 40 level 60s to have killed Kel, but I'd much rather have the Xpac come out sooner leaving fewer who have "beaten the game" as opposed to waiting for it to be released later, to allow for more people to complete the content in its current form.

I can only assume that most Alliance guilds dont bother with things like DM buffs or songflowers (we only consider them because they arent very far from Org/TB, not always *needed* but whats another few mins to run through a pre-cleared DM). And just out of curiosity, but does ZG heart and Kings stack? I wouldn't think so, but i'm not Alliance so I'm not totally sure.

Are you trying to imply that a buffed out the ass horde raid is equal to a normaly buffed allaince raid?

I can assure you that horde raid is far and above what the (unworldbuffed) allaince raid has, dont kid yourself into thinking the a/h gap is that huge.

I don't think the horde vs alliance question has any merit for the top guilds. They are good enough players that they'll do whatever they have to do to finish encounters. Where it does matter is in the more casual and less hardcore guilds. I've been in both alliance and horde and the buffs there do make entry a bit easier for alliance. Things just go smoother when you have more mana regen, less consumable usage, more armor, etc.

That being said, as a former hordie congrats to Nihilum for doing this first. That's awesome. I hope this fight is at least a worthwhile difficult encounter for being the last in the dungeon.

Those of you who are saying it didn't long enough for the kill, there was a post from Tigole or Tseric, I forget which, last week saying that Blizz was actually dissapointed that Sapharon hadn't died the same night as the four horsemen, they fully expected that this would be the pace.

Edit - Here it is

I think it's good timing because it leaves another 2 to 3 months before the expansion. That's a reasonable amount of time for top end guilds on most servers to notch a kill, and for the first few to mine the drops fairly well.

http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/6...op10ft9xg8.jpg

Here are the damage meters for the KT fight if anyone is interested. I'm not 100% sure about all the classes/specs to please correct me and/or fill me in.

1)Sword Rogue
2)Combat Dagger Rogue
3)Mage
4)Hunter
5)Mage
6)Warlock
7)Mage
8)Mage
9)Fury Warrior
10)Mage

I think the real question we're all missing here is this -
Did Nihilium kill Mr. Bigglesworth prior to attempting Kel'Thuzad?

The buff icons present are more interesting IMHO.

You do what you can to get a World First. Sell your first born practically. Going over the top on buffs is just another advantage in trying to win the race.

His death speech in the MPQ has the cliché, but cool, "I'll be back, stronger than ever before." That's twice he's done that

Edit: Ack, missed 2 pages. Sorry if this is redundant.

does that make it exponential?

Time to solo Patch Doom, chop chop.

With that said, I am sad that Sapphiron and Kel'Thuzad were so quick at being slain. It simply doesn't feel epic anymore. 4H being the "definitive" fight of Naxx is really saying alot, or maybe it says nothing at all. Did they simply throw all of their tactical people into 4H and then either have them leave or just, stop caring?

I could just be omg blizz sucks atm, but I don't really think they intended for these mobs to die so fast. No MMO designs fights that are easy as pie to beat, because once content is done people clamour for new stuff. I could be wrong on this one here since it's a bit different with TBC coming out, and the new raid cap, so is this the last hurrah? A beat-the-content-fast so you can say you did it but then break apart and do TBC without people whining Naxx can no longer be done?

I think it's really awesome that they're dead, but I expected a bit more of an "earthshaking" finish to Naxx. When people said Kel was at 1% I went, hehe, there's probably another phase! But there's nothing? Wth -.-

I knew there was a reason I picked up Hammer of Ji'Zhi last night!

You really can't look at the top 1% and make any claim about whether or not the instance lived up to its potential. If other bosses in other instances felt epic, and their death's earthshattering, it was due to more than just the difficulty of the fight. Naxx was a fully functional instance from the get go; if the content was ever killable, it would be killed in good time as a result.

On the PTR people killed Kel, so it was known that Kel didn't have another phase.

I don't what earthshaking end you expected, the guild got the world buffs (Fair buff too) and put in the time to be the world first.

Anyone know the item rewards from the turn-in yet?

Again this was done on the PTR, basically it is an apgrade of the Argent Dawn trinket. The new trinket is epic and is about double the AP/spell damage of the blue trinket.

It also affects demons as well, last I checked.

EDIT: They must have changed that I guess.