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Old 09/08/06, 12:04 AM   #1
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I'm a rogue with maladath, but I'm trying to decide when I should use it. Weapon Expertise gives me enough to not glance on lvl 61 bosses, but I'll need maladath to reduce it for 63 bosses.

However running BWL last night, I noticed Discord Unit Frames report all bosses from Razor to Nef as lvl 61+++ so I didnt use maladath at all.

Is this a DUF problem or do the 63 level bosses not occur until deep into AQ/Naxx? We also downed the Instructor and I saw he was 61 (as reported by DUF)

Is DUF reliable or is there a site that shows the boss level?

Thanks for any help

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Old 09/08/06, 12:11 AM   #2
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When in doubt, don't use the Maladath and when you see glancing blows start popping up, swap it in. That said, I am pretty sure all BWL bosses are level 63.

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Old 09/08/06, 12:21 AM   #3
Trildon
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+ Weaponskill reduces the damage lost on a glancing blow. It doesn't erase it completely in all situations. Even though it doesn't seem like you're gaining anything from wearing Maladath - I assure you that you are.

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Old 09/08/06, 4:45 AM   #4
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It shows them as 61+++ because boss lvls are hidden and there is no way to detect what lvl they really are.
When it was possible to see the boss lvls's however it was shown that they all were lvl 63.
And becasue of this it's generally excepted that all current end game bosses are still lvl 63 (resistence checkers have also shown this to be accurate, aka misses for casters)

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Old 09/08/06, 5:03 AM   #5
dakalro
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bosses are either lvl 63 atm or the boss flag makes them player_lvl+3 to anyone, any level (something I thought but most likely isn't so ... can't check till TBC)

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Old 09/08/06, 10:36 AM   #6
 Shalas
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All the boss flag does is hide thier level. Several bosses in Uldaman used to have it, and they definatly didn't resist spells from 60s as if they were 63.

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Old 09/08/06, 10:45 AM   #7
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My assumption is that the boss flag is just a boolean toggle to mask the real level. You could, for example, create an npc at level 25 and mark it as a boss to have it show the skull to everyone.

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Old 09/08/06, 10:46 AM   #8
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Every 40-man raid boss in the game is level 63 -- use your +skill stuff.

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Old 09/08/06, 10:46 AM   #9
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While they may be 63 they may have different stats.

Patchwerk & Loatheb for example are 63 with 310 weapon skill, they never crush you in battle, but your raid still gets the 40% glancing blow penalty.

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Old 09/08/06, 10:48 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Emeraude
While they may be 63 they may have different stats.

Patchwerk & Loatheb for example are 63 with 310 weapon skill, they never crush you in battle, but your raid still gets the 40% glancing blow penalty.
Yes, this is an additional wrinkle. But you will get the spell resists and glances appropriate for a +3 mob against every raid boss.

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Old 09/10/06, 10:27 AM   #11
Arko
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Alleria (EU)
Ragnaros seems to be lvl 64 or at least modified in some way.

A friend of mine is a hunter and had enough +hit gear to have exactly zero misses in an entire MC clear. During the 3 minutes against ragnaros he noticed several misses (like 5% or so, I forgot the exact number).

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Old 09/10/06, 10:29 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Arko
Ragnaros seems to be lvl 64 or at least modified in some way.

A friend of mine is a hunter and had enough +hit gear to have exactly zero misses in an entire MC clear. During the 3 minutes against ragnaros he noticed several misses (like 5% or so, I forgot the exact number).
...did he put on any FR gear for Ragnaros? :P

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Old 09/10/06, 10:57 AM   #13
Darkmantle
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I used to have a mod which displayed a mobs defense. Onyxia and MC bosses displayed as having 315 defense which is what you would expect for lvl 63.

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Old 09/10/06, 10:59 AM   #14
Arko
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...did he put on any FR gear for Ragnaros? :P
I feel kind of stupid...

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Old 09/10/06, 3:00 PM   #15
Trazhenko
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Illidan
The other night in Naxx, my game crashed, and when I came back, a bunch of things were all messed up. My character model wasn't displaying (only saw my little shadow), all the mobs were named "Unknown" instead of what their names were supposed to be, and finally, Maexxna was showing up as "Unknown, level 63" (no skull).

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