I'm a rogue with maladath, but I'm trying to decide when I should use it. Weapon Expertise gives me enough to not glance on lvl 61 bosses, but I'll need maladath to reduce it for 63 bosses.

However running BWL last night, I noticed Discord Unit Frames report all bosses from Razor to Nef as lvl 61+++ so I didnt use maladath at all.

Is this a DUF problem or do the 63 level bosses not occur until deep into AQ/Naxx? We also downed the Instructor and I saw he was 61 (as reported by DUF)

Is DUF reliable or is there a site that shows the boss level?

Thanks for any help

When in doubt, don't use the Maladath and when you see glancing blows start popping up, swap it in. That said, I am pretty sure all BWL bosses are level 63.

+ Weaponskill reduces the damage lost on a glancing blow. It doesn't erase it completely in all situations. Even though it doesn't seem like you're gaining anything from wearing Maladath - I assure you that you are.

It shows them as 61+++ because boss lvls are hidden and there is no way to detect what lvl they really are.
When it was possible to see the boss lvls's however it was shown that they all were lvl 63.
And becasue of this it's generally excepted that all current end game bosses are still lvl 63 (resistence checkers have also shown this to be accurate, aka misses for casters)

bosses are either lvl 63 atm or the boss flag makes them player_lvl+3 to anyone, any level (something I thought but most likely isn't so ... can't check till TBC)

All the boss flag does is hide thier level. Several bosses in Uldaman used to have it, and they definatly didn't resist spells from 60s as if they were 63.

Every 40-man raid boss in the game is level 63 -- use your +skill stuff.

While they may be 63 they may have different stats.

Patchwerk & Loatheb for example are 63 with 310 weapon skill, they never crush you in battle, but your raid still gets the 40% glancing blow penalty.

Yes, this is an additional wrinkle. But you will get the spell resists and glances appropriate for a +3 mob against every raid boss.

Ragnaros seems to be lvl 64 or at least modified in some way.

A friend of mine is a hunter and had enough +hit gear to have exactly zero misses in an entire MC clear. During the 3 minutes against ragnaros he noticed several misses (like 5% or so, I forgot the exact number).

...did he put on any FR gear for Ragnaros? :P

I feel kind of stupid...

The other night in Naxx, my game crashed, and when I came back, a bunch of things were all messed up. My character model wasn't displaying (only saw my little shadow), all the mobs were named "Unknown" instead of what their names were supposed to be, and finally, Maexxna was showing up as "Unknown, level 63" (no skull).

I'm fairly sure C'thun is 64, given the ridiculous number of glancing blows I see on him.

Here's a fun fact: when you spawn a boss at Edge of Madness in ZG, if you spam click the spot where the boss spawns, if you get him right as he becomes targetable he will show up as 63 instead of skull.

I know for a fact that he is not, since I don't have a 50% resist rate against him.

Wow thats pretty amazing.

I hate to ask it.
But ARE YOU SURE, his skill box stated 443? And he wasn't sure wearing some weird weapon/shield/trinket/etc? Cause I've never heard of this, and this is one of the more interesting posts I've read in a while if it is indeed true.

Is the 310 weapon skill only assumed from no crushing blows? If so, couldn't Patch & co simply have a NO_CRUSHING flag, and still function like normal bosses with 315 weapon skill otherwise?

Not entirely, sorry. I know he wasn't intentionally wearing other gear, we'd been talking beforehand about what gear the tanks should be wearing. He commented on the crit after the fight, and certainly would have mentioned if he were changing gear around--I mentioned to the healers multiple times as we were planning for this fight that they could expect not to have any crits. But it's possible he accidentally right-clicked something, or perhaps even that something was broken and he didn't notice. Either way, it was his only crit in some 1500 swings that night.

If there's any actual evidence that Patchwerk functions as a 310 mob for purposes of crits, then I would throw this out. If not though, I think the ZG enchant is definitely the most likely possibility.

Both zg enchants would occupy one buff slot, so that would leave him at 429. (I think.)

I have no empirical proof that Patchwerk has 310 weapon skill for crit purposes. I don't know if he can land crushing blows against a level 59 (get an alt attuned and let's find out!). So perhaps it could just be a NO_CRUSH flag.

Every boss is level 63, end of story. Resist rate is the easiest way to tell (unless for some reason there is some oddball high resists mob in the future)