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Old 09/11/06, 2:32 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by Gauss
Every boss is level 63, end of story. Resist rate is the easiest way to tell (unless for some reason there is some oddball high resists mob in the future)
No offense, but this seems like somewhat of an unsafe extrapolation, to me. If most raid bosses in the game have resist rates equivalent to L63s, then most raid bosses in the game resist like L63s. There's no guarantee that other values like defense and weapon skill are at levels quite different from the average L63.

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Old 09/14/06, 10:52 AM   #27
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While I haven't done any glancing blow testing myself, I don't believe that level is the only factor in determining things like what percentage of attacks glance. This is because I've seen different mobs of the same level have different amounts of glancing blows. (for example, some mobs level 60-62 have no glancing blows, while others of the same level you will glance against)

Has anybody who is not lazy observed that all contemporary raid bosses have the same approximate percentage of glancing and crushing blows?

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Old 09/14/06, 11:18 AM   #28
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What can make things confusing in trying to determine the level of these bosses is that of course Blizzard can manually change defense skill, weapon skill, and resistances as well as changing many other variables (like the possiblity of a NO_CRUSH flag or something) while tuning and tweaking the encounter. My suspicion is that they all are level 63 and they make adjustments. I suppose there's no reason they could have just had all the bosses as level 60 or whatever and added skills, but then it's like Nigel Tufnel says "These go to eleven".

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Old 09/14/06, 12:53 PM   #29
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Noob question: How much plus hit do you need if your wep skill is 300 or 305?

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Old 09/14/06, 12:54 PM   #30
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Every point of weapon skill above 300 adds .04 (whoops, thanks Kalman) to hit.

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Old 09/14/06, 12:59 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by SquattingCow
Every point of weapon skill above 300 adds .05 to hit.
0.04%, actually.

I can at least confirm that every boss I've run a seperate glancing parse for (which includes a pretty good portion of BWL, and some of Naxx) has generated glancing blows appropriate to a level 63 target.

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Old 09/14/06, 1:03 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by Kalman
I can at least confirm that every boss I've run a seperate glancing parse for (which includes a pretty good portion of BWL, and some of Naxx) has generated glancing blows appropriate to a level 63 target.
I had someone swear that they saw Broodlord Lashlayer as level 62 one time when their UI started glitching. Is that consistant with your results?

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Old 09/14/06, 1:11 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by SquattingCow
Originally Posted by Kalman
I can at least confirm that every boss I've run a seperate glancing parse for (which includes a pretty good portion of BWL, and some of Naxx) has generated glancing blows appropriate to a level 63 target.
I had someone swear that they saw Broodlord Lashlayer as level 62 one time when their UI started glitching. Is that consistant with your results?
Pretty sure Lashlayer parsed as 40% glancing (which is what level 63s generate), but I'll check next time I run BWL to make certain.

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Old 09/14/06, 2:01 PM   #34
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Patchwerk will crit your main tank if they are not capped defense, however he can not crushing blow.


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Old 09/14/06, 6:12 PM   #35
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It'll be interesting to see how they deal with these 'level 63' bosses in TBC. Maybe they will forever be considered 3 levels higher than us, regardless of our own level (and hence keep the 17% spell miss rate, constant glancing blows and all that other good stuff that comes along with being 3 levels higher). Or maybe they're just gonna be level 63 and they become horribly easy to tank and DPS.

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Old 09/14/06, 6:31 PM   #36
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One oddball thing I noticed was with 9% to hit I still missed a tranq shot on Chromaggus about two weeks ago.

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Old 09/14/06, 6:44 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by topojijo
One oddball thing I noticed was with 9% to hit I still missed a tranq shot on Chromaggus about two weeks ago.
To date I'm still not sure how the Tranq mechanic works. I've had some people say tranq can be resisted, others say resists are just misses and then even some others say tranq can never miss or resist if you have 9% hit.

So, what is it?

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Old 09/14/06, 6:53 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by Nurru
Originally Posted by topojijo
One oddball thing I noticed was with 9% to hit I still missed a tranq shot on Chromaggus about two weeks ago.
To date I'm still not sure how the Tranq mechanic works. I've had some people say tranq can be resisted, others say resists are just misses and then even some others say tranq can never miss or resist if you have 9% hit.

So, what is it?
It uses the Resistimiss calculation: Projectile (arrow) must hit the target (via normal hunter +hit gear) AND the binary tranquiliser effect must also 'hit' it (via spell hit)? Beats me. That kinda goes against the 1 roll system.

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Old 09/14/06, 8:59 PM   #39
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Yeah, Tranquilizing shot can definitely hit the target but not take effect. There is even a chat message for it. I believe it's the "fails to remove" message.

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Old 09/15/06, 3:02 AM   #40
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Originally Posted by red
Yeah, Tranquilizing shot can definitely hit the target but not take effect. There is even a chat message for it. I believe it's the "fails to remove" message.
In the almost 2 years I've been tranqing bosses, I have never seen that message.


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Old 09/15/06, 5:14 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
I have no empirical proof that Patchwerk has 310 weapon skill for crit purposes. I don't know if he can land crushing blows against a level 59 (get an alt attuned and let's find out!). So perhaps it could just be a NO_CRUSH flag.
Er...
Surely Naxx is like over 40 mans - wont let you in the gate if you're not 60....

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Old 09/15/06, 8:46 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Zoro
Originally Posted by Praetorian
I have no empirical proof that Patchwerk has 310 weapon skill for crit purposes. I don't know if he can land crushing blows against a level 59 (get an alt attuned and let's find out!). So perhaps it could just be a NO_CRUSH flag.
Er...
Surely Naxx is like over 40 mans - wont let you in the gate if you're not 60....
You can zone into many raid instances at lower than level 60. I think the cutoff is 55 for most of them.

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Old 09/15/06, 11:34 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Zoro
Originally Posted by Praetorian
I have no empirical proof that Patchwerk has 310 weapon skill for crit purposes. I don't know if he can land crushing blows against a level 59 (get an alt attuned and let's find out!). So perhaps it could just be a NO_CRUSH flag.
Er...
Surely Naxx is like over 40 mans - wont let you in the gate if you're not 60....
I had Netherwind Robes at 55 and Ring of Swarming thought at 50 I believe.

oh and: http://nullcode.org/~chris/wow/nuru_cthun_55.jpg is pretty good evidence.

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Old 09/15/06, 11:57 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Bibdy
It uses the Resistimiss calculation: Projectile (arrow) must hit the target (via normal hunter +hit gear) AND the binary tranquiliser effect must also 'hit' it (via spell hit)? Beats me. That kinda goes against the 1 roll system.
No more than a resist-based roll with a level-based resist roll.

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Old 09/15/06, 12:10 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Nurru
Originally Posted by Zoro
Originally Posted by Praetorian
I have no empirical proof that Patchwerk has 310 weapon skill for crit purposes. I don't know if he can land crushing blows against a level 59 (get an alt attuned and let's find out!). So perhaps it could just be a NO_CRUSH flag.
Er...
Surely Naxx is like over 40 mans - wont let you in the gate if you're not 60....
I had Netherwind Robes at 55 and Ring of Swarming thought at 50 I believe.

oh and: http://nullcode.org/~chris/wow/nuru_cthun_55.jpg is pretty good evidence.
Haha, so many things wrong with this picture

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