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Old 09/08/06, 12:43 PM   #1
DjStunt
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Hey guys,

My guild is just about to take down Huhuran, and browsing these forums...i've seen several times people mention that it's handy to have tanks with full conquerors for this...for that. But i'm curious to know how effective it actually is.

I've started out bidding on items which are primarily DPS, and i've got quite a decent base of these items. Well let's just say i'm happy enough with what i've got right now. But i only have one piece of Wrath.

Do you guys reckon i should just go for full Wrath, or would it be worth considering getting full conquerors...will my guild benefit from having that?

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Old 09/08/06, 12:45 PM   #2
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The reason to stick full Conqueror's on one tank is for the added Thunderclap damage reduction, in lieu of having a Thunderfury.

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Old 09/08/06, 12:47 PM   #3
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Ah ha, most of the posts i had seen refered to it having that little bit more armour than wrath.

We just got our first binding for our Main Tank recently, set bonus doesn't stack with TF then?

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Old 09/08/06, 12:48 PM   #4
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Though you should probably keep collecting wrath for patchwork.

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Old 09/08/06, 12:49 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Margot
Originally Posted by Kalman
The reason to stick full Conqueror's on one tank is for the added Thunderclap damage reduction, in lieu of having a Thunderfury.
This isn't the only reason. For arms warriors at least, Conqueror's is good dps gear with a /lot/ more survivability. It lets them pick up mobs in oh shit situations and not be crunchy rogues.
No, that's why a piece or two of Conqueror's is nice for DPS warriors - it makes decent DPS gear and decent tanking gear, although usually not the best at either. The reason you want one warrior in *full* Conqueror's is for the Tclap benefit. If you have a Thunderfury, there's no real incentive to get any 5/5 CQ warriors.

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Old 09/08/06, 12:49 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Margot
Originally Posted by Kalman
The reason to stick full Conqueror's on one tank is for the added Thunderclap damage reduction, in lieu of having a Thunderfury.
This isn't the only reason. For arms warriors at least, Conqueror's is good dps gear with a /lot/ more survivability. It lets them pick up mobs in oh shit situations and not be crunchy rogues.
My reasons are fully for Tanking really, i'm a fury warrior and i'm not really looking for that kind of DPS gear just yet :)

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Old 09/08/06, 12:52 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by DjStunt
We just got our first binding for our Main Tank recently, set bonus doesn't stack with TF then?
TF 25% slow does not stack with TC, it would be unbalancing. However, until your guild has a TF, TC is all you have to slow melee attacks.

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Old 09/08/06, 12:53 PM   #8
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Sounds great guys, cheers :D

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Old 09/08/06, 1:03 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by DjStunt
Do you guys reckon i should just go for full Wrath, or would it be worth considering getting full conquerors...will my guild benefit from having that?
For pure tanking a full set of Wrath is often better, but once you start to get trinket/neck/cloak/ring items with a lot of +defense, it is worthwhile to replace Wrath BP with Conqueror BP and maybe even Wrath leggings with Conqueror leggings since Conqueror got more armor and agility.
Apart from that, Conqueror is a sure drop assuming you can kill Huhuran/Twins/Ouro and C'Thun. Wrath manages to elude even the best guilds, being a random drop.

Personally I'm going for both sets, since there's situations where a mix of Conqueror and Wrath is much better than only Wrath.

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Old 09/08/06, 8:05 PM   #10
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onquerers is a very underrated set, there are quite a few fights where you go from tanking to dps as a warrior, fights like faelina or noth, or any trash mobs, conquerers is just fantastic, being able to tank and dps in the same gear rates very highly for me, the 5 piece bonus is also very hot for those of us without TF's. The high armour on it also helps for patchwerk.

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Old 09/09/06, 8:58 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by probiscus
Though you should probably keep collecting wrath for patchwork.
My guild isn't doing Patchwerk yet, but from what I read here, I thought some Conqueror's pieces (at least the chest, maybe head, too) together with the first Dreadnaught pieces were actually better than the Wrath equivalents for Patchwerk, because of the higher armor..

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Old 09/09/06, 9:02 AM   #12
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Yes, as has been said, once you get Dreadnaught Bracers, Cryptfiend, and another piece or two that add defense, being able to swap out Wrath BP for Conq BP while remaining uncrittable (440 def) is a really nice boost. And not just for Patchwerk, either.

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Old 09/09/06, 9:04 AM   #13
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If you can manage to still hit 140Def (hard) whilst using Conw Head/Leg/CHest then 3 conq 5 Dreadnaught is an awesome tank set whilst your guild cannot kill Thaddius, Heigan, Horsement yet.

Get ZG enchants on COnq head/legs and you should just about manage to hit 140Def with 5 Dreadnaught. Conw adds insane AC and Dodge in comparison to the Wrath equivalents.

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Old 09/10/06, 1:17 AM   #14
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If you parse out the stats..

--Conq's Legs--
838 armor
33 Str
24 Sta
1.77% avoidance
1.05% crit
1% hit

--Wrath Legs--
749 armor
19 Str
27 Sta
3.32% avoidance

Is 89 armor and some extra threat worth 1.55% avoidance and 30 hp?

Also if you're wearing 5 DN 3 Conqs your defense is going to be under cap unless you favor Onyxia Blood Talisman over Lifegiving Gem. And that's almost certainly not worth losing except for Patchwerk.

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Old 09/10/06, 1:53 AM   #15
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I wore Conq Helm/BP over Wrath.

Can't wait until the expansion comes out. 5/5 Conq + TC Talent = Imbal.

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Old 09/10/06, 1:53 AM   #16
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Well legs are a bad example as Wrath legs are probably one of the stronger pieces. Conq chest is obviously a great piece, I also used the helm (with ZG enchant) for a while during certain fights.

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