Couple of Quickies about Thunderclap

Eylirria · 09/08/06, 2:30 PM

1 - With the changes to the haste system, how effective is the Imp Thunderclap debuff? is it 17%? (1/1.2)

2 - Are there any raid bosses that are immune to this effect? I always assumed it worked on anything, but a friend of mine asked me this today asking for a definite answer and I couldnt provide him with one.

Thanks for the help

Bibdy · 09/08/06, 2:38 PM

There were no changes to the actual effect of these abilities, its just that the tooltips were changed to make haste/slow countering easier to calculate e.g. a +20% attack speed buff and a -20% slow debuff should counter each other.

Eylirria · 09/08/06, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bibdy

There were no changes to the actual effect of these abilities, its just that the tooltips were changed to make haste/slow countering easier to calculate e.g. a +20% attack speed buff and a -20% slow debuff should counter each other.

Yes, but some abilities had their haste/slow effects on their tooltips changed to match the effectivess on the new formula. IE, Mind Quickening Gem @ 33%.

Thunderclap is still listed at 20%, which, under the new formula, from what I could gather from reading these boards would mean that it is now only in fact a 17% slowing effect.

Also, any word about #2?

Crazypie · 09/08/06, 2:42 PM

I swear in teh patch notes, they said TC got a SLIGHT, as in almost unnoticeable nerf.

Thunderclap: This ability was left at 10% despite the haste effect changes. This means its potency has been reduced slightly.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patch...atchnotes.html

I think somebody calculated it like 9.8 or something instead of a perfect 10%. It almost made no difference at all.

And in regards to your first question, I don't really understand what you're asking. Imp thunderclap is only rage reduction. Are you talking about the BC TC or Conq. bonus?

http://thottbot.com/?sp=11581
Thunder Clap is a 10% speed reduction.

and for #2, TC is physical dmg, so it won't work on Vek (twin emp). I don't think there are any other physical dmg immune mobs. to sum it up, i think works on all but one boss.

Eylirria · 09/08/06, 2:49 PM

My bad, been reading way too much on TBC. (The improved effectiveness of ImpTclap)

Thank you for the info.

Bibdy · 09/08/06, 2:51 PM

Yeah they changed the Imp TC talent in TBC to increase damage by 100%, the debuff by 10% (to 20%) as well as the rage reduction of 4 points.

Maybe my original plan to recreate the Mountain King from WC3 isn't such a fleeting dream afterall.

Erongg · 09/08/06, 4:56 PM

The Thunderclap "nerf" is the following:
A mob with swing speed of 1.0 used to have TC applied as 1/.9 = 1.11 swing speed. Now it's calculated as 1*1.1 = 1.10 swing speed. It nerfed the effectiveness of TC by roughly 10%, which is to say the overall swing speed changed by about 1%.

Furion · 10/27/06, 10:02 PM

Sorry to dig up an old Thread, but I figured this question would match best in here and hasn't been answered as far as I can tell.

Does the BC improved Thunderclap stack with the T 2.5 Bonus?

If that is the case: Doesn't improved TC + T2.5 give a better slow effect than Thunderfury and additionally a pretty strong AOE attack?

If that is the case this might be one of the few pre-bc gems we might still be using from time to time at lvl 70.

Evalara · 10/28/06, 12:12 PM

edit: nm

Ragnor · 10/29/06, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Furion

Sorry to dig up an old Thread, but I figured this question would match best in here and hasn't been answered as far as I can tell.

Does the BC improved Thunderclap stack with the T 2.5 Bonus?

If that is the case: Doesn't improved TC + T2.5 give a better slow effect than Thunderfury and additionally a pretty strong AOE attack?

If that is the case this might be one of the few pre-bc gems we might still be using from time to time at lvl 70.

From what I understand

Yes

Yes

Yes