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Old 09/13/06, 11:35 AM   #51
Elendril
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Originally Posted by Steelfleece
Originally Posted by Elendril
Originally Posted by Hypothraxer
I had my pet out for Noth the last evening and it didn't get cursed once. Since he only curses a limited amount of people I might've been lucky though. It also dies rather quickly to cleaves and shadow shock so it didn't live the whole fight. Can anyone post a screenshot of a cursed pet?
i don't have a screenshot, but i definitely yell "DECURSE RAYDER" over vent an average of once a noth fight for the people who don't have pets on their decursive lists. they 100% get cursed.
They can get cursed, but I often simply park my pet in a remote corner as his curse is limited to a certain # of people close to him. As such, it's pretty easy to make sure your pet doesn't get cursed, though you can't use them to melee Noth or they WILL get cursed.

The one or two times my pet got cursed, I was able to dismiss it before the curse "went off."
that seems a lot more complicated than someone just decursing him :-P

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Old 09/13/06, 2:55 PM   #52
Largo
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If you dismiss a pet with the Noth Curse and call him back later, is it still there?

Not that I would do that... in the middle of Ogrimmar at the AH...

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Old 09/13/06, 3:06 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by Largo
Not that I would do that... in the middle of Ogrimmar at the AH...
Maybe Blizzard has stopped a player from doing such things that after the Hakkar/Geddon effects.

Anyway, with the new x-cross BGs, the Org Battlemaster may be the better spot if it would work.

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Old 09/13/06, 4:26 PM   #54
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We've had an alliance bystander catch Volatile infection from Emeriss, pop into WSG, and mushroom his teammates to death before the match started ;)

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Old 09/17/06, 12:14 PM   #55
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I want to make my wolf as efficient and as survivable as possible for Naxx, but can't really get it decided.


Here's what I got:
Howl 4 - 25 Pts.
Fire Res 3 - 45 Pts.
Nature Res 3 - 45 Pts.
Shadow Res 3 - 45 Pts.

Sum: 160 Pts.


Then there's where I don't really know:
I'd like to take Dash 3 since I have to petpull rather often in AQ40, still. Would be another 25 Pts.
Then I guess to have it go along with my 20/31 Spec it should have Bite 8. 25 Pts. again.
And for the rest I just can't decide if I should take more life for it, or armor.


What do you think? Leave out dash for more survivability? More life or more armor? Or even more Resistences, yet?

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Old 09/17/06, 1:14 PM   #56
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Beating the dead horse, but pets can definately catch Noth's curse. Also, the curse seems to be number and/or range limited so mileage on pet placement may vary. They're immune also to Locust Swarm and don't spawn bugs, although everyone frantically checks who died whenever Anub announces he's killed my wolf through some random impale. :'(

Patchwerk is probably the safest fight ever to use your pet on. Wait for the HS OTs to get primed, then send the pet right in. Fire and forget, no need to worry unless you're wiping - in which case it's somewhat moot point now anyways.

I'm also a 20/31/0 spec - it works well for most raiding situations. Imp. Res. pet works well for longer fights and while the Imp. Mend is debatable, I have it for those emergency situations like Noth's curse should it be needed. I have Howl macroed with my Multishot and that seems to work fairly well for most fights. Only a few fights make positioning pet for melee howl and ranged howl difficult or impossible while still letting the pet hit the mob (Grobby, for example).

If you're Alliance, convince your Pallies to put JoL up on the bosses. It helps your pet's survival rate by a TON - espicially on fights like Maexxna.

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Old 09/17/06, 1:19 PM   #57
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Regarding Noth, here's what I do:
I don't send him in at the start, I wait for the curse.
After that I shoot whatever I am supposed to shoot, be it adds or Noth himself. Right after the first curse, I send my pet in. When the 10 sec warning for the curse comes up, I wait ~5 seconds before activating Dash and sending it to an add.
Curse goes off, pet goes back in.

Easy =)

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Old 09/17/06, 2:23 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Lactose
Regarding Noth, here's what I do...
What if Noth blinks toward your pet just prior to a curse?

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Old 09/17/06, 2:32 PM   #59
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We tank Noth in the corner without any spawns. I send my pet to the add in the opposite corner of the room somewhere.
The only time it has a chance of being cursed is when he teleports back down, and isn't brought back fast enough.

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Old 09/17/06, 5:21 PM   #60
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why don't your mages/druids just decurse your pet? seems a hell of a lot more efficient than all these shenanigans to avoid getting him cursed in the first place.

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Old 09/17/06, 5:41 PM   #61
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Originally Posted by Elendril
why don't your mages/druids just decurse your pet? seems a hell of a lot more efficient than all these shenanigans to avoid getting him cursed in the first place.
I will praise you a lucky man if you've never had a decursing "accident" on Noth. I know we've had a few, makes for a fun few minutes when the Decurse info comes up and the mages get scolded ;)

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Old 09/17/06, 5:43 PM   #62
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Also, micromanaging (however effortless) > boredom
:)

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Old 09/17/06, 5:53 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by Elendril
why don't your mages/druids just decurse your pet? seems a hell of a lot more efficient than all these shenanigans to avoid getting him cursed in the first place.
No pets means removing a variable that can cause a wipe on an encounter that can be beaten without them. The marginal benefit of a pet is outweighed by the requirement to micromanage them and difficulty in cross-group decursing them.

It's the same as removing people's AE abilities on the twin emps. It's possible to play carefully and multi-shot or whirlwind at the right moments... but if a mistake is made it causes too many problems to make it worthwhile.

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Old 09/17/06, 6:00 PM   #64
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Originally Posted by Elendril
why don't your mages/druids just decurse your pet? seems a hell of a lot more efficient than all these shenanigans to avoid getting him cursed in the first place.
No pets means removing a variable that can cause a wipe on an encounter that can be beaten without them. The marginal benefit of a pet is outweighed by the requirement to micromanage them and difficulty in cross-group decursing them.

It's the same as removing people's AE abilities on the twin emps. It's possible to play carefully and multi-shot or whirlwind at the right moments... but if a mistake is made it causes too many problems to make it worthwhile.
Which is essentially a big point made in this thread and in the other one about scalability.

If the pets aren't really worth the extra effort, or the added risk, we're stuck where we are, even after scalability, and could stand to be in a far worse position because of it; IE losing part of our current strength to give it to a pet that is only marginally more useful but is still dangerous.

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Old 09/17/06, 6:55 PM   #65
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Originally Posted by Elendril
why don't your mages/druids just decurse your pet? seems a hell of a lot more efficient than all these shenanigans to avoid getting him cursed in the first place.
No pets means removing a variable that can cause a wipe on an encounter that can be beaten without them. The marginal benefit of a pet is outweighed by the requirement to micromanage them and difficulty in cross-group decursing them.

It's the same as removing people's AE abilities on the twin emps. It's possible to play carefully and multi-shot or whirlwind at the right moments... but if a mistake is made it causes too many problems to make it worthwhile.
that really makes no sense. our mages/druids just have their decursive set up to cure pets as well. my pet getting cursed is no different than another person getting cursed, and adds no additional risk to the fight. if we wipe because my pet didn't get dispelled, we would've wiped anyway, because it meant someone else didn't get dispelled.

summoned pets like the ancient cornerstone grimoire skeleton, though, don't show up on decursive and can wipe you, which happened to us once. and we got over it.

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Old 09/18/06, 7:54 AM   #66
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Wouldn't a 20/31/0 hunter be able to decurse the pet themselves with improved mend?

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Old 09/18/06, 9:14 AM   #67
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Originally Posted by Schooner
Wouldn't a 20/31/0 hunter be able to decurse the pet themselves with improved mend?
They'd have a chance.

Or you could look at it as a chance to waste time and dps to fail at decursing your pet and die and wipe the raid anyway.

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