Priest TBC Talents/Spells - Page 4

Vhex · 09/11/06, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by duostrike

Originally Posted by Crazypie

Reflective shield seems a bit imbalanced in a pvp sense. I mean, it's hard enough to break thru the shield, but trying to break thru while you dmg yourself is overkill. Imagine a mage nuking a priest for 1k. You just dmged him for around 50 while you hit yourself for 500. That just sucks :\.

That mage would steal the shield. Which brings up another issue. Will the spells we steal use the talents/gear from the person we steal it from?

I'm still waiting for the first time a mage spell steals ghost wolf. <3

Rho · 09/11/06, 3:58 PM

Reflective shield is ridiculous in small scale pvp. Basically shield, heal yourself, and laugh as classes that can't heal themselves kill themselves on your shield.

• frmorrison · 09/11/06, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Nurru

Pondering Shadow Mend a bit.

Does Shadow Mend gain benefit from +healing, +shadow, shadowform or all 3?

The spell says heals for x on it, so logically it would use +healing bonuses. It is also handy if you got counterspelled out of the holy tree, then you still have a heal to use.

♦ Praetorian · 09/11/06, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by impossible!

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

Isn't that a Curse?

Wording is iffy, but:

Dispels magic in a 15 yard radius, removing 1 harmful spell from each friendly target and 1 beneficial spell from each enemy target. Effects a maximum of 5 friendly targets and 5 enemy targets.

It could be read as being able to dispel buffs and debuffs of any type.

It says "dispels magic." Magic != curse/poison/disease/etc.

It's just "dispel magic" in AoE form.

Zurai · 09/11/06, 3:59 PM

Hmmm I have no clue about hunters and spell damage, I was getting my info from mage and priest skills.

No no, I have no doubt that either you're correct, or it's because Volley is channeled. I was just displaying my ignorance. I still think circle of renewal will be seriously hot though. I guess we'll find out in a couple months when this beast is released, assuming they havn't tweaked CoR away by then.

Nite_Moogle · 09/11/06, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by impossible!

It could be read as being able to dispel buffs and debuffs of any type.

Ambiguious wording aside, letting priests remove all 4 types of debuffs would be pretty insane. I'd bet 100 gp it's still just magic effects.

silya · 09/11/06, 4:00 PM

edit: Nevermind

crimsonsentinel · 09/11/06, 4:00 PM

Kind of off topic, but I was looking at imp shadow weaving, and I was thinking....

How insanely are fire mages going to scale come burning crusade? I mean they're practically going to have 200% damage permanently with all these new debuffs going around.

Bibdy · 09/11/06, 4:01 PM

I wonder if Prayer of Mending will work on lifetap.

That'll be freaking awesome. A random sprite bouncing around the raid, and when it reaches you, you get free mana!

Steelfleece · 09/11/06, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by cherrie

I can't even put into words how completely and utterly disappointed I am by the new talents in every tree. Suffice it to say I don't think I'll be playing my priest for the expansion unless things change drastically....

What, increasing the raid's DPS by a fair amount and added flexibility and overall power in every tree isn't enough for you?

I have a [Conjured Tissue] here for you. Christ, the way some of you people talk you'd think the priest class was currently broken and you were hoping for talents to make you "unbroken" or something.

I understand it's natural to whine about talents/spells when they're posted, but come on. There really isn't a lot to cry about here.

probiscus · 09/11/06, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

Originally Posted by probiscus

Hahah, so can 5 warlocks with unstable affliction insta-gib a mass dispelling priest? /cackle

Oh wow, put seed of corruption on that dispelling priest too - he blows up and infects everyone he just dispelled.... /boggle (same 15 yard range)

Isn't that a Curse?

Donno. The other curses are all listed as "curse of XXX", whereas unstable affliction is listed as just that... and the pre-req for it (contagion) affects CoA/Corruption/SoC.

Kaubel · 09/11/06, 4:03 PM

One of the assurances of life is the outpouring of MMORPG players threatening to quit playing their class if Gaming Company X does (or doesn't) do Y.

I think I'm the last person on the planet who takes one look at new class stuff being implemented, shrugs his shoulders while saying, "Eh, ok" and goes on playing.

Vhex · 09/11/06, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by Rho

Reflective shield is ridiculous in small scale pvp. Basically shield, heal yourself, and laugh as classes that can't heal themselves kill themselves on your shield.

For 1v1, it'll be nice against sword rogues, that's about it really. 8( Mages can just spell steal, shaman can purge, druids/paladins can heal, other priests can dispell, fury warirors will out-heal it, hunters/arms warriors/dagger rogues it's basically just a 600 dmg instant attack every 15 seconds...oh boy?

It's nice, don't get me wrong, but I think the larger scale pvp and pve is where it will espcially shine. The biggest advantage is it gives me an excuse to keep Power Infusion. Getting to shout, "YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH...YOU'VE GOT THE POWER" everytime I cast it is well worth it imo. <3

• Snowy · 09/11/06, 4:06 PM

I'm in the same boat as Kaubel. If anything, I see changes as a new way to play the game, and until I see them in action and experience them for a while, I don't make any sweeping judgements. I'm still going to play the game.

Bibdy · 09/11/06, 4:06 PM

If UA is a curse that makes it somewhat useless. Most of our debuffs are magic. UA needs to be magic if its supposed to 'protect' the rest of our debuffs.

xerkos · 09/11/06, 4:07 PM

I like the talents in general, but is anyone else kind of ticked off about empowered healing? It should be bundled with spiritual healing already. Basically it's 10 talent points for a 10% increase to GH and a 5-10%ish increase to flash heal(depending on +heal). Hardly worth 10 talent points, in my opinion. Circle of renewel look pretty nice, but the new talents leading up to it are in my "ho hum" category.

cherrie · 09/11/06, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by Steelfleece

increasing the raid's DPS by a fair amount and added flexibility and overall power in every tree isn't enough for you?

We must be looking a different talents trees.

Originally Posted by Steelfleece

There really isn't a lot to cry about here.

I completely disagree. But ok.

• frmorrison · 09/11/06, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by Kaubel

One of the assurances of life is the outpouring of MMORPG players threatening to quit playing their class if Gaming Company X does (or doesn't) do Y.

Very true, I wonder how WoW General will look in a few hours; I think it is funny that one of the complainers was in the guild Death and Taxes, which are life assurances as well.

Sri · 09/11/06, 4:08 PM

The shield reflect is pretty insane, as is the mini shield wall every 3 minutes (guessing it's a magical effect that can be dispelled/purged). Survivability of a priest in PvP just shot up tons just from looking at the new talents. If these priests were implemented at present as the game currently is, harder to kill than a pally.

Bibdy · 09/11/06, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

Originally Posted by impossible!

It could be read as being able to dispel buffs and debuffs of any type.

Ambiguious wording aside, letting priests remove all 4 types of debuffs would be pretty insane. I'd bet 100 gp it's still just magic effects.

I dunno. Its a pretty big mana cost for removing them. Think about solo pvp. That priest will need to sacrifice a lot of mana by using mass dispel to remove that warlocks' curse or that rogue's poison. Now think about raiding. It makes Priests just that much more valuable on AOE decurse/dispel fights.

• frmorrison · 09/11/06, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by cherrie

Originally Posted by Steelfleece

increasing the raid's DPS by a fair amount and added flexibility and overall power in every tree isn't enough for you?

We must be looking a different talents trees.

Look at the Disc tree, you get 5% more raid spell damage, a self 3min shield wall, and a 50% damage reflecting PW: Shield.

Shadow tree has imp shadow weave, another 5% non-shadow damage, and another shadow heal.

The only thing that is poor is the late Holy tree compared to the other trees.

heel · 09/11/06, 4:11 PM

Just noticed that Empowered Healing doesn't confer any bonus to plain old Heal. That makes it pretty terrible. Generic healing build for 70 should probably look more like this: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/un...00000000000000. I will probably begin with http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/un...00000000000000 at 60 and fill up my talents like so: Spiritual Healing-Healing Prayers-Spirit of Redemption-Lightwell-Holy Spec-Absolution.

xerkos · 09/11/06, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by cherrie

Originally Posted by Steelfleece

increasing the raid's DPS by a fair amount and added flexibility and overall power in every tree isn't enough for you?

We must be looking a different talents trees.

I assume he's looking at misery and improved shadow weaving. One of each in your raid and spell dps just went up 10%.

Kasonic · 09/11/06, 4:12 PM

Shouldn't Lesser Heal and Heal be completely obsolete come the new level-based +dmg dimishing returns?

Senex · 09/11/06, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by heel

Just noticed that Empowered Healing doesn't confer any bonus to plain old Heal. That makes it pretty terrible.

Considering that no ranks of Heal will receive full bonus from +healing gear in TBC anymore, that change is fairly logical. GH1 is the new Heal2, for all intents and purposes.