This is a really odd question, but does anyone know exactly how these work? It says the casting time is 1 second no matter what rabged you have equipped, but its definately longer than 1 second. And does the cooldown really vary based on the weapon speed, or does the cast time? And lastly, does anyone know if quivers work on them?

And before anyone asks, I'm sitting here with a stopwatch trying to figure all these things out, but I realized that I'm not that coordinated.

Cast is 1 second, cooldown varies by weapon speed, and is affected by quivers.

Isn't the cooldown the primary reason why throwing weapons should ever even be considered? (for rogues, obvoiusly)

So basically melees get a manual Auto-Shot with an additional delay of 1 second?

Seems pretty pointless to me in the first place. Could a warrior/rogue do decent auto-shot DPS without the delay? I await the first 'Ranged Rogue' spec on the WoW forums of some fool with throwing weapons and Deadly Throw.

Cast is definately longer than 1 second, at least from my stopwatch.

There was the one patch where they removed the cooldown from shoot by accident, and rogues could do more ranged dps than hunters.

Were you taking damage? Also, what are you using as your end point? When the arrow starts flying or when the damage number appears? It should be 1 second from when you click shoot till your character finishes the shoot animation/fires off the bullet/arrow, provided your cast isnt interrupted by taking damage.

I recall that week being both our fastest Shazzrah kill ever as well as the first time we'd ever seen multiple rogues in top 5 dps on Shazzrah.

Ah, yeah, thanks, I guess your'e right. So a rogue looking to get off one snapshot in PvP should always just use the slowest gun possible?

They can up the casttime to three seconds and I wouldn't care, but for fights like Shazzrah, Ouro and Grobbulus as melee, I'd love an Autoshoot function just like Wand Autoshoot. All that clicking... :(

Well with autowand, it is hard to stop wanding when you want to cast a spell, so be careful what you wish for, it sucks (usually fires one more wand attack when you want to stop).

For Rogues, slow ranged weapons are best for finishing off a runner in PvP due to the 1 sec cast.

You don't melee shaz?

I agree that it's a little imba that I can auto-shoot a wand and you can't auto-shoot a bow. The only real difference I see is that your ranged AP can be affected by stuff AND has charges (bullets/arrows) and my wand gets neither. However, with my 102.2 dps wand...I pump out some pretty good DPS without having to click every time. I wonder what the side by side comparison would be with me auto-wanding against a warrior doing his best to keep up a good shot rotation with his bow?

Oh I run in on Executes in between Glob spawns and I did on Shazz if my healer had enough mana, but I always spend a good part of the fight just standing there like a git. Like the above poster, I'll take Autoshoot with any kind of limitation over its current implementation.

Warriors have 1 agility = 2 RAP, so they have a lot less RAP than Rogues/Hunters (maybe 400-600), so you will most likely outdps an gun shoting warrior (there is no rotation, you just click the button every cooldown) with your Wand (especially if you had wand spec :rolleyes:).

Back when we did MC the healers couldn't be arsed to heal the rogues.

This is why I have 250 arcane resistance when I melee Shazz.

(Well, that and boredom.)

Just logged on a warrior alt to check.


I was always under the impression that the cast time was 1 sec + weapon speed, but the tooltip does say 1 second.

The cast time is definitely longer than 1 second. Tried it with a 2.7 AS Crossbow, a 1.9 AS gun, cast time seemed the same either way.

Argh, gotta agree. Nothing annoys me more when playing my mage than having that damn wand going off one more time :|.

The RAP formula is the same regardless of class. 1 agil=2 rap, and since the other classes have a MUCH lover agil to crit ratio, they crit more. That's why rogues could out dps hunters when the cooldown was removed.

Just pretend you're a frost mage!

I do remember that broken shot patch, that was awesome. Back when I was using ancient bone bow on my warrior to plink at Shazzrah.. oh the glory days.

Has anyone made any effort to account for lag and when the cast is actually "finished" yet? I know on my warrior I could move before I ever saw the arrow fly and it would still fire. If the tooltip says 1s I imagine that on the server it's 1s from the time you tell it you're firing until the shot completes (which doesn't necessarily mean the arrow has actually left your weapon yet).