Looking at this new map of outland, i see coilfang reserve and people are saying lady vashj will be the boss at the end. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt she, kael, and illidan team up as allies? Which implies we will also be killing illidan and kael....which is fine lore-wise for alliance, but for the horde, and specifically blood elves? They regard kael as their prince, why on earth would they want to kill him or his allies? Phat eps? It'll be interesting to see how blizzard explains this one, and splitting up the blood elf race like darkspear trolls doesnt fit with the ending of TFT. Anyone got any ideas on how this wont wreck the lore?

Well what would you do if for a long time you'd been hoping to reunite with your Prince, but found out he had allied himself with the devil and basically gone mad? Heck, who knows if we'll even be killing Kael.

What I DON'T like is how former 'heroes' like Kel'thuzad, Vashj and Illidan are being put on 'farm status'. Its kind of insulting to the role they played in the game's storyline. Either they allow us to kill them, and they become a footnote in the story of the game and players feel as though they are affecting the storyline itself, or we get them to 1%, they flee and come back to haunt us in a later expansion or something (e.g. what they've done with Kel'Thuzad and that phylactory) and we feel that our efforts at trying to affect the gameworld are meaningless.

Either way, it kinda sucks.

Well, it's been stated that Illidan has gone mad after his defeat at the end of TFT, and the lore indicates that the Blood Elves who did not follow him through to Outland have been largely cut off from them for the majority of the time since then. Presumably, they'll just do the same with Kael - that is, they will say that he has been drawn into Illidan's mad delusions and has decided that the only way to secure the position of the Blood Elves is to, say, wipe out all other civilisations on Azeroth. Thus, the Blood Elves who were living in Azeroth, who have not been dragged into this mass delusion would realise that, regrettably, their old leader could not be followed any more, and eventually had to be stopped, regardless of the cost.

There we are, a nice simple outline for a possible reason for them to turn on Kael, which could even be built up nicely in a series of questlines. Just because someone was their leader once does not guarantee their suitability for leadership for all time - especially if they're allied to a delusional half-elf half-demon who wasn't very stable to begin with.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if bosses like Kael and Illidan did an Anachronos and despawned at a low %, dropping a nice chest of loot.

Vashj I can see being killed, she was never much of a character, despite being former Highborn ruler etc. But who knows, I guess we have to wait and see how it's all implemented before we start groaning.

As for Blood Elf on Blood Elf action, I think the whole "Oh no, Kael's working for an evil demon, his magical addiction has driven him to depraved acts (never mind that we're draining a servant of the light for paladin powers), and alas, we must now put an end to him" theory is pretty much spot on.

Didnt see one, some of us actually care about the lore.

But to the point, why is illidan always considered "mad" or an evil character? Sure he made a stupid decision to consume the skull of gul'dan, but he only did it to show furion he could help against the burning legion. He attempted to kill the lich king, which brings back the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. And now he has to fight kil'jaeden because he's breaking free from his control, so he once again is "on the good side" in a way. In TFT kael never even underwent any kind of "madness" phase anything like arthas did. So you think maybe we'll ally with illidan instead of killing him?

I'm guessing these guys have got something to do with it.

Kael = Crack Fiend.

Illidan = Kael's dealer.

That's a blood elf too far gone in addiction to control his lusts. They spiral into madness and attack their own kind, trying to find greater magical energies to feed on. Kael has nothing to do with what they are.

Anyway, I'm with probiscus. We don't know what will happen, and we won't know what will happen any better at the end of this thread.

Come on, the guy was locked in solitary for what 10,000 years? THAT might equate to going mad, but brooding in his fortress for 2 years just doesn't cut when compared to what the guy went through already.

10000 years in solitary - secure
2 years on the run from a pissed off demon god? - scary stuff

Probably not really mad.
But dangerous enough to make sense in the lore for us to kill him (though I hope we wont).

He probably wouldnt consider for a second if he could save the NE by killing off half the humanoids on Azeroth. Malfurion sees that as being mad, and so does most else. But thats hardly anything new about Illidan. He probably isnt much more crazy than always.

Ofc, he consumed a few demon things after being released from his prison. Guess Blizz could just say those demons corrutped his mind slowly. Plenty of ways to do make him insane. Some worse than others.

About Kael, a guess woyld be that a big part of the BE related quests in BC will focus on how Kael and friends has gone "mad" and cant be trusted anymore. But you dont even know if he will be killed anyway, so a bit pointless do discuss it.
Guess Saramin is right.

This is new and its lore.


I love lore in WoW. The BC is going to offer some fun little Tidbids when it comes around. At some point we are fighting Kael'thas and I want to see how that turns out with BE's having to fight him. There is some reason. He is after all their leader and savior. Them being forced to fight them has to be something Huge.