Raid Potion Check/Tracker Addon

BigBadMonkey · 09/14/06, 5:50 PM

Greetings, I am new to posting on these forums, but I do enjoy reading them.

Anywho, I am an officer of my guild and I am in charge of checking potion DKP as we give DKP for bringing potions to certain bosses AND using them. Whether or not we should do this is arguable and off topic, but it does in fact encourage people to bring the potions and flasks. I am on the fence on this matter but regardless I dont mind checking them.

The way I do this so far is taking pics before and after a boss kill (using /ratiem [item])(CTRA), then just cross reference the pics and see who used what. This rather simple method has problems because it is tedious and can be troublesome if ppl start making potions.

So.. my question is this, is there a mod out there, that can/would do this or better yet, a mod where it would track all potions used by each person throughout the run or in between the intervals when u reset it.

Not only would this mod allow for an easy method of doing potion DKP, but for those guilds who dont agree with it, it would let the people with this mod (assuming officers or class leaders) see which members are potting up without being asked/told possibly for future invites or just for curiosity to see which members are really pulling their weight and more.

As i mentioned above this post isn't about whether or not to do potion/flask DKP adjustments for members, but rather, is there a better means of doing so for simplicity. I really like my idea of having a potion tracker, but alas I have no experience in creating addons and wouldn't know where to start nor would I have the time to do so.

Im not sure if there is developer code or what have you for checking when a player has indeed used a consumable that is accessable to addon creators, but if not something could probably be done with the /ratiem command from CTRA. But perhaps there would be miscalculations from trading/creating potions if such a dev code wasn't accessable.

Anyways thats all. Have at it. Cheers

Heartwarden · 09/14/06, 6:55 PM

To my knowledge, there is no potion tracker addon that is known by the public.

It could be a nice tool to check who is putting the extra work on the potion department. On the other hand, if you use it for that purpouse the one responsable for the data checking must be an individual whose knowledge of the classes and players is uncanny. There is just so much to it. More often that not, people in my guild use potions when the situation does not call for them. That does not mean that they are more commited to progress then the other players. It might just be lack of specific knowledge, like when you drink a Flask of Distilled Wisdom during combat to get the extra 2k mana IF needed instead of doing it prior to combat. Some people just know when the combat is going to demand them to chug that pot, some don't.

That is why i said that knowing the players is so important. If person X is drinking pots like a mad man it might be because he is really wanting to be as good as possible, it might also be that this person is a healer who is not very familiar with the 5s rule and does not know how to work spirit regen to his advantage or whose hp/mana ratio is poor due to bad spell selection (spamming flash heal). The other way around is also possible, you could have a guy not using pots at all, because he is a cheap bastard or because his timing is above average, making his heals land with minimal overhealing, high hp/mana ratios, etc.

Darkchani · 09/14/06, 7:11 PM

You could try this http://www.lossendil.fr/serendipity/

its... insane :)

it doesnt tell what ppl are bringing but it tells what ppl are using, they show as "Miscellaneous gained"

BigBadMonkey · 09/14/06, 7:48 PM

I would like more specifically which pots people are using.

For example if you can imaging the recap gui with a column "Potions Consumed" and it would have the rogue's name then (Picture of a Mongoose Potion)X3 (Elixir of Giants)X4 and so on. And it would show exactly how many of each pot he/she used that raid.

What would also be nice about this would be to see the consumables that are harder to track namely major mana and major healing potions so when a preist goes out of mana, there arises the question "Did u use a major mana potion" and so on.

Another thing would be that this could be useful for trial members, ie. Are they potting up without being asked? And you could see if the "veterans" of the guild are still putting in that extra effort, or are they merely just enjoying their comfy spot in the guild.

Kasi · 09/14/06, 7:54 PM

Not exactly sure if using mana pots is always the sign of a skilled raider. One priest could time heals and use the 5 second rule to his advantage while the healer next to him spams flash heal constantly with big overheals but chugs mana pots. Does that mean the second person is more enjoying their comfy spot in the guild and is worth more? I don't know.

Sorrowheart · 09/14/06, 8:00 PM

I don't think he meant necessarily (and correct me if I'm wrong) that if Raider A uses more mana potions than Raider B, A is better - but more that if both Raider A and Raider B cry "OOM!" in a raid and A has used mana pots every 2 minutes while B hasn't used any, that B is slacking.

And I agree, I'd love to get my hands on a mod that would be able to determine things like that.

Darkchani · 09/14/06, 8:15 PM

Originally Posted by BigBadMonkey

I would like more specifically which pots people are using.

For example if you can imaging the recap gui with a column "Potions Consumed" and it would have the rogue's name then (Picture of a Mongoose Potion)X3 (Elixir of Giants)X4 and so on. And it would show exactly how many of each pot he/she used that raid.

this little nifty thing i linked does it

this is what showed for an abomination wing and spider? wing(cant really remember) for me

Miscellaneous gained  Total  Ticks  Avg  Max 
Master of Elements (Mana)  24,843  283  87  297 
Replenish Mana (Mana) 18,853  20  942  1199 
Mana Tide (Mana) 14,943  52  287  290 
Restore Mana (Mana) 14,023  10  1402  2067  (this is mana potions btw)
Mana Spring (Mana) 11,664  912  12  34 
Magic Absorption (Mana) 320  1  320  320 
Rejuvenation (Mana) 60  1  60  60 
Clearcasting 103    
Combustion 80    
Blink 16    
Gift of the Wild 10    
Prayer of Spirit 10    
Mage Armor 10    
Prayer of Fortitude 9    
Arcane Intellect 8    
Kreeg's Stout Beatdown 8    
Blood Pact 7    
Inspiration 7    
Nature Protection  5    
Evocation 5    
Ancestral Fortitude 5    
Greater Firepower 4    
First Aid 4    
Greater Arcane Elixir 4    
Abolish Poison 3    
Power Word: Fortitude 3    
Innervate 2    
Power Word: Shield 2    
Arcane Brilliance 2    
Divine Spirit 2    
Prayer of Shadow Protection 2    
Arcane Shroud 2    
Healing Way 2    
Ephemeral Power 2    
Shadow Protection 1    
Mana Shield 1    
Mark of the Wild 1    
Renew 1    
Supreme Power 1

from that you can see all the potions consumed as well as other stuff

seems its too long, but anyway you get the point

BigBadMonkey · 09/14/06, 8:23 PM

Yeah, that is more or less what im looking for.

A bit extensive of a mod since I am only interested in the consumables but yeah I will try that one out to see how it works.

If any crazy modders out there want to make a more simple addon whereby it's main focus is consumables, simple to use, and has a decent GUI, by all means post in this thread on your development as i'm sure that I am not the only one who thinks this mod would become a useful raid tool.

Ty for the link btw.

Kaide · 09/14/06, 8:39 PM

Darkchani, that mod you posted is very interesting indeed. It looks like that's your personal data. Is there anyway you are able to view the raid as a whole or maybe a specific class without individually clicking every person in the raid?

Edit: Fingers too fat...

Sri · 09/14/06, 9:12 PM

It parses the combatlog to show what anyone uses. Just import your combat log in and you can click on anyone name and see what they've used. Make sure you've set your combat log distance to 200 or so in your config.wtf file.

Darkchani · 09/15/06, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Sri

It parses the combatlog to show what anyone uses. Just import your combat log in and you can click on anyone name and see what they've used. Make sure you've set your combat log distance to 200 or so in your config.wtf file.

Yup, props to a server transpher who showed us this thing..
It does damage done in details, damage taken, healing in details, skill used (ever wondered which rogue feinted the least ? whos not using pots ? who suck at rezzing ? who doesnt decurse much ? which warrior doesnt shield block much ? etc )

Pretty simple to use too, just /combatlog from start to end of the raid, add the "actors" (players) in the little java thing and process away ! Almost too easy to be true.

Pulz · 09/15/06, 9:16 AM

Originally Posted by Sri

Make sure you've set your combat log distance to 200 or so in your config.wtf file.

Might be just me, but after reading what was in my config.wtf I could not really figure out how to do this.
So if someone could be kind enough to help me out with this, by writing the exact line as it appears in your config file.
Thanks :P

edit:
After doing some more searches on wowwiki I see that my config.wtf miss all of those distance varibels etc.
Would still be glad if someone copy/pasted how it should look.

Darkchani · 09/15/06, 10:37 AM

SET CombatLogRangeParty "150" 
SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "150" 
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "150" 
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "150" 
SET CombatLogRangeCreature "150" 
SET CombatDeathLogRange "150"

Is what i added to the bottom of my config file

so far only gothik really showed to be too spread out to catch everything going on

Ashuko · 09/15/06, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Darkchani

You could try this http://www.lossendil.fr/serendipity/

its... insane :)

it doesnt tell what ppl are bringing but it tells what ppl are using, they show as "Miscellaneous gained"

This looks like an absolutely insane, cool web tool. However - since it's being driven by one combatlog, I'm wondering how accurate it can be?

Does a range of 200 really make it "accurate"?

Sri · 09/15/06, 7:16 PM

You can import in multiple combatlogs for one event to get the accuracy even more precise. The little applet merges multiple combatlogs with the new version! :D

I used it couple of times to just analyze the #s behind encounters and honestly..if you are a statistic nerd (using this word in a non flaming way) you'll have a ball and waste tons of time on it ;)