Greetings, I am new to posting on these forums, but I do enjoy reading them.
Anywho, I am an officer of my guild and I am in charge of checking potion DKP as we give DKP for bringing potions to certain bosses AND using them. Whether or not we should do this is arguable and off topic, but it does in fact encourage people to bring the potions and flasks. I am on the fence on this matter but regardless I dont mind checking them.
The way I do this so far is taking pics before and after a boss kill (using /ratiem [item])(CTRA), then just cross reference the pics and see who used what. This rather simple method has problems because it is tedious and can be troublesome if ppl start making potions.
So.. my question is this, is there a mod out there, that can/would do this or better yet, a mod where it would track all potions used by each person throughout the run or in between the intervals when u reset it.
Not only would this mod allow for an easy method of doing potion DKP, but for those guilds who dont agree with it, it would let the people with this mod (assuming officers or class leaders) see which members are potting up without being asked/told possibly for future invites or just for curiosity to see which members are really pulling their weight and more.
As i mentioned above this post isn't about whether or not to do potion/flask DKP adjustments for members, but rather, is there a better means of doing so for simplicity. I really like my idea of having a potion tracker, but alas I have no experience in creating addons and wouldn't know where to start nor would I have the time to do so.
Im not sure if there is developer code or what have you for checking when a player has indeed used a consumable that is accessable to addon creators, but if not something could probably be done with the /ratiem command from CTRA. But perhaps there would be miscalculations from trading/creating potions if such a dev code wasn't accessable.
To my knowledge, there is no potion tracker addon that is known by the public.
It could be a nice tool to check who is putting the extra work on the potion department. On the other hand, if you use it for that purpouse the one responsable for the data checking must be an individual whose knowledge of the classes and players is uncanny. There is just so much to it. More often that not, people in my guild use potions when the situation does not call for them. That does not mean that they are more commited to progress then the other players. It might just be lack of specific knowledge, like when you drink a Flask of Distilled Wisdom during combat to get the extra 2k mana IF needed instead of doing it prior to combat. Some people just know when the combat is going to demand them to chug that pot, some don't.
That is why i said that knowing the players is so important. If person X is drinking pots like a mad man it might be because he is really wanting to be as good as possible, it might also be that this person is a healer who is not very familiar with the 5s rule and does not know how to work spirit regen to his advantage or whose hp/mana ratio is poor due to bad spell selection (spamming flash heal). The other way around is also possible, you could have a guy not using pots at all, because he is a cheap bastard or because his timing is above average, making his heals land with minimal overhealing, high hp/mana ratios, etc.
I would like more specifically which pots people are using.
For example if you can imaging the recap gui with a column "Potions Consumed" and it would have the rogue's name then (Picture of a Mongoose Potion)X3 (Elixir of Giants)X4 and so on. And it would show exactly how many of each pot he/she used that raid.
What would also be nice about this would be to see the consumables that are harder to track namely major mana and major healing potions so when a preist goes out of mana, there arises the question "Did u use a major mana potion" and so on.
Another thing would be that this could be useful for trial members, ie. Are they potting up without being asked? And you could see if the "veterans" of the guild are still putting in that extra effort, or are they merely just enjoying their comfy spot in the guild.
Not exactly sure if using mana pots is always the sign of a skilled raider. One priest could time heals and use the 5 second rule to his advantage while the healer next to him spams flash heal constantly with big overheals but chugs mana pots. Does that mean the second person is more enjoying their comfy spot in the guild and is worth more? I don't know.
I don't think he meant necessarily (and correct me if I'm wrong) that if Raider A uses more mana potions than Raider B, A is better - but more that if both Raider A and Raider B cry "OOM!" in a raid and A has used mana pots every 2 minutes while B hasn't used any, that B is slacking.
And I agree, I'd love to get my hands on a mod that would be able to determine things like that.
I would like more specifically which pots people are using.
For example if you can imaging the recap gui with a column "Potions Consumed" and it would have the rogue's name then (Picture of a Mongoose Potion)X3 (Elixir of Giants)X4 and so on. And it would show exactly how many of each pot he/she used that raid.
this little nifty thing i linked does it
this is what showed for an abomination wing and spider? wing(cant really remember) for me
Miscellaneous gained Total Ticks Avg Max
Master of Elements (Mana) 24,843 283 87 297
Replenish Mana (Mana) 18,853 20 942 1199
Mana Tide (Mana) 14,943 52 287 290
Restore Mana (Mana) 14,023 10 1402 2067 (this is mana potions btw)
Mana Spring (Mana) 11,664 912 12 34
Magic Absorption (Mana) 320 1 320 320
Rejuvenation (Mana) 60 1 60 60
Clearcasting 103
Combustion 80
Blink 16
Gift of the Wild 10
Prayer of Spirit 10
Mage Armor 10
Prayer of Fortitude 9
Arcane Intellect 8
Kreeg's Stout Beatdown 8
Blood Pact 7
Inspiration 7
Nature Protection 5
Evocation 5
Ancestral Fortitude 5
Greater Firepower 4
First Aid 4
Greater Arcane Elixir 4
Abolish Poison 3
Power Word: Fortitude 3
Innervate 2
Power Word: Shield 2
Arcane Brilliance 2
Divine Spirit 2
Prayer of Shadow Protection 2
Arcane Shroud 2
Healing Way 2
Ephemeral Power 2
Shadow Protection 1
Mana Shield 1
Mark of the Wild 1
Renew 1
Supreme Power 1
from that you can see all the potions consumed as well as other stuff
A bit extensive of a mod since I am only interested in the consumables but yeah I will try that one out to see how it works.
If any crazy modders out there want to make a more simple addon whereby it's main focus is consumables, simple to use, and has a decent GUI, by all means post in this thread on your development as i'm sure that I am not the only one who thinks this mod would become a useful raid tool.
Darkchani, that mod you posted is very interesting indeed. It looks like that's your personal data. Is there anyway you are able to view the raid as a whole or maybe a specific class without individually clicking every person in the raid?
It parses the combatlog to show what anyone uses. Just import your combat log in and you can click on anyone name and see what they've used. Make sure you've set your combat log distance to 200 or so in your config.wtf file.
It parses the combatlog to show what anyone uses. Just import your combat log in and you can click on anyone name and see what they've used. Make sure you've set your combat log distance to 200 or so in your config.wtf file.
Yup, props to a server transpher who showed us this thing..
It does damage done in details, damage taken, healing in details, skill used (ever wondered which rogue feinted the least ? whos not using pots ? who suck at rezzing ? who doesnt decurse much ? which warrior doesnt shield block much ? etc )
Pretty simple to use too, just /combatlog from start to end of the raid, add the "actors" (players) in the little java thing and process away ! Almost too easy to be true.
Make sure you've set your combat log distance to 200 or so in your config.wtf file.
Might be just me, but after reading what was in my config.wtf I could not really figure out how to do this.
So if someone could be kind enough to help me out with this, by writing the exact line as it appears in your config file.
Thanks :P
edit:
After doing some more searches on wowwiki I see that my config.wtf miss all of those distance varibels etc.
Would still be glad if someone copy/pasted how it should look.
SET CombatLogRangeParty "150"
SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "150"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "150"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "150"
SET CombatLogRangeCreature "150"
SET CombatDeathLogRange "150"
Is what i added to the bottom of my config file
so far only gothik really showed to be too spread out to catch everything going on
You can import in multiple combatlogs for one event to get the accuracy even more precise. The little applet merges multiple combatlogs with the new version! :D
I used it couple of times to just analyze the #s behind encounters and honestly..if you are a statistic nerd (using this word in a non flaming way) you'll have a ball and waste tons of time on it ;)
Been having some discussions lately on how accurate mine was after parsing some stats so went through these files and added a lot more variables.
These are most of the relevant ones, i use autocl though so didnt toggle combatlog to always on btw. Generally using settings of 300 after a discussion whether some events were missing in cthun attempts.
Why do you want to know who used potions and who didnt?
I'd guess either reimbursement or accountability or both. When most people are burning 10g+ of consumables on a single important attempt at something, free riders are not going to be looked kindly upon.
It's easy to check who has buffs and who hasnt when such an attempt comes. Total amount used in the run is, a bit wierd. You know, we are not interested in raw healing, overhealing is not something we'd want. If dps sucks, assuming similar gear, you start questioning with the bottom of damagemeter, not the bottom of consumablecount.
It's easy to check who has buffs and who hasnt when such an attempt comes. Total amount used in the run is, a bit wierd. You know, we are not interested in raw healing, overhealing is not something we'd want. If dps sucks, assuming similar gear, you start questioning with the bottom of damagemeter, not the bottom of consumablecount.
Yes and no.
Naxx especially is very consumable heavy. If you expect to win encounters you put the time in. Showing up and just "being there" is frankly not acceptable, even if you are on top of the damage meters, because if you are, your dps would have been even more phenomenal had you chugged a mongoose pot, scorpok assay, juju power, etc etc.
The characters I raid on carry a ton of consumables. When we did patchwerk I blew threw sooo much per night of attempts. Lesser mana oil (and I dual wielded on my hunter, so x2, but it wasn't heavy use since I would either be rezzed or FD'd to live), mongoose, night dragon's breath, major mana, scorpok assay, mageblood, nightfin soup, doomshot arrows, and several other things besides.
I was the top hunter on the damage charts and number 9 on the DM.
If I hadn't popped consumables my given dps would have been much less and I wouldn't have felt like I was putting forth my best effort.
Well yea, having every player with the same gear is an utopia; but its not what I meant. As an extreme example; a flask at anub, even if its going to be used at both maexxna&patchwerk, is overkill. When I think my dps buffs will not be worth the difference I just dont use them. It sometimes ends up using absolutely nothing more than a couple of mongoose/jujupower and/or maybe a few poison resist potions at faerlina. So far I didnt feel guilty for that. In fact, I feel better saving my consumables for progression nights.
If some rogue is going to be credited for using 2 bags of consumables every naxxramas night; I appreciate his will in farming :)
Well yea, having every player with the same gear is an utopia; but its not what I meant. As an extreme example; a flask at anub, even if its going to be used at both maexxna&patchwerk, is overkill. When I think my dps buffs will not be worth the difference I just dont use them. It sometimes ends up using absolutely nothing more than a couple of mongoose/jujupower and/or maybe a few poison resist potions at faerlina. So far I didnt feel guilty for that. In fact, I feel better saving my consumables for progression nights.
If some rogue is going to be credited for using 2 bags of consumables every naxxramas night; I appreciate his will in farming :)
OHH well, yes, I find consumable use on farmable events to be frivolous. My old guild had rogues who blew mongoose/giants/firewater etc JUST to do the trash in MC, and I don't agree with that. (Especially since I was the only one farming for the pots and passing them out, all my hard work was going down the drain.)
To an extent extra farmage will help you clear faster, but generally when things are on farm the amount of extra dps garnered won't matter as much as it will on say, a boss fight, so I just don't bother.
I think he more means progression nights on new content. It would be a dkp and consumable nightmare if he was checking for consumables every step of the raid hehe.
When there are people in your raid, blowing 50g's worth of stuff, give or take, every single night on new attempts which are about to go down, and there are people who only do 15g's worth, there's something wrong, and no, it isn't avoiding repair costs by Feigning etc... Perhaps it's just me, but I just don't feel like I'm pulling my own weight if I don't give it all I have.
theres pot usage, and then theres pot usage
we have ppl popping full dmg pots on the first attempt @ heigan for instance, and then whining at everyone else for not doing it. These people are retarded, but well they arent injuring the raid as mcuh as someone who doesnt pot when he should.
That mod is useful when your doing proper attempts, as in when its controlled by someone who is an intelligent potter.
09/14/06, 5:50 PM
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