A quick rogue +skill question.

Poker · 09/16/06, 5:35 PM

Tried finding this info from other threads but couldn't.

I'm a combat dagger rogue and am currently using tier 3 headpiece and gloves on boss fights instead of ACLG or Circlet of Restless Dreams.

I started wondering if I should use ACLG or the circlet instead to reach 310 weapon skill? Or do the stats from tier3 make up for the glancing blows I'll get?

Thanks for your reply.

Playered · 09/16/06, 5:48 PM

Unless you have DS im moderatly sure that ACLG beat T3 gloves just about, however its not by a major amount.

Check the forums for the combat dagger spreadsheet and add in your gear, then test what yeilds you the highest DPS between the combinations you mentioned.

Poker · 09/16/06, 5:59 PM

I don't have the required programs to edit those spreadsheets on this computer, sadly. I'm taking suggestions if anyone knows a freeware program to do that with.

I don't have a Death Sting.

Dakous · 09/16/06, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by Poker

I don't have the required programs to edit those spreadsheets on this computer, sadly.

http://openoffice.org

Playered · 09/16/06, 6:26 PM

quickly checking mine, using Maex/Harb combo on the buffed total dps (inc 2/2 wepx)

T3 Hat + T3 Gloves = 737
T3 Hat + ACLG = 748
Circlet + T3 Gloves = 740

ACLG untill level the expansion provides better I guess :P

Poker · 09/16/06, 6:29 PM

Allright, thanks a lot.

mavi · 09/16/06, 8:17 PM

Im under the impression that mugglers + t3 gloves is a better choice then ACLGs + t3 belt

Karakas · 09/16/06, 8:30 PM

But would it be better than ACLG + C'Thun Belt?

Xard · 09/16/06, 11:59 PM

plug it into the spreadsheet and see, honestly. Not sure why we need to answer these questions anymore given that the mathematics for combat daggers has all been done and short of new items being added, there's nothing more definitive than just taking Chalon's sheet and looking at the stats.

mavi · 09/17/06, 9:59 AM

ACLGs + BoNA gives almost identical stats to t3 gloves + Muggers, so i guess T3 + muggers win because of set-bonuses from t3 and 1 more stamina.

Axantucar · 09/17/06, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by mavi

Im under the impression that mugglers + t3 gloves is a better choice then ACLGs + t3 belt

Mugger's+BS Gloves :
66 AP, 2% Crit, 1% Hit, 36 Stam (without kings)
66 AP, 2% Crit, 1% Hit, 39.6 Stam (kings)

ACLG+BS Belt :
62 AP, 2.83% Crit, 35 Stam (without kings)
68 AP, 2.91% Crit, 38.5 Stam (kings)

Being alliance, I think the latter is better.

Sirenfal · 09/17/06, 4:25 PM

A bit off topic but still relating. (For reference my guild has killed 6-7 bosses in Naxx.) I don't see many Warrs or Rogues wearing Mugger's Belt, ACLG, or Edgemaster's Handguards. I'm a DPS Warr other than racial bonuses and Maladath, I think I'm the only one wearing any +skill items (I use Edgemaster's).

So my question is, in high end guilds, how many Rogues/Warrs who can take advantage of these do use them? Most, some, 50/50, barely any? Just wanted to get a feel for how prolific these items actually are for raid guilds.

red · 09/17/06, 4:29 PM

Death's Sting is my only +skill item, it wouldn't be worth wearing gloves or belt when I'm already at 8 with Weapon Expertise. Another rogue in mostly tier 2 wore both ACLG and Mugger's belt in 1.11, and it helped him keep up (or often surpass) the other rogues despite his inferior gear on fights like patchwerk. Since 1.12 he dropped the belt for bloodfang and still wears the gloves.

Dakous · 09/17/06, 7:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sirenfal

So my question is, in high end guilds, how many Rogues/Warrs who can take advantage of these do use them? Most, some, 50/50, barely any? Just wanted to get a feel for how prolific these items actually are for raid guilds.

You mean, how prolific useful versus hindering melee DPSers are?

The spreadsheet is there. "Free" software is there to use it with. There's no excuse for anyone to not come to their own conclusions.

Boevis · 09/17/06, 8:26 PM

Currently in my raid are 3 sword rogues, 2 with Maladath. 2 Dagger rogues, 1 with ACLG. And one rogue using Ripper/Veiled Shadows using some weird AR spec with no weapon specializations (We're unlucky with sword drops or he'd be sword spec) There's 1 DPS warrior using flameguards, I think he's 2H Fury.

I don't think any of the DPS warriors in my guild use Edgemasters, mostly too lazy to get them, but all of the rogues use Maladath/ACLGs/Muggers if they have them.

edit: warrior's using flameguard gauntlets not edgemasters. Typing during wipe recovery ftl.