I was very curious to see how other guilds hunters performed on Thaddius, strangely our hunters are about 1/8 of the damage a Rogue/Mage does. Are our hunters doing something wrong? Perhaps a tanking positioning error? This is proving to be a problem because we've wiped at 1% twice already. We should finish him off today, but I just don't see why we would bring hunters to this fight unless we had no other choice.

A little info, we tank him to the left, and form a diamond around him, most of the time the north position on this diamond makes hunters unable to shoot (due to min. range, being against the wall).

Thanks for any insight you can provide

Although Thaddius is annoying for hunter damage - partly due to the minimum range and running, partly due to pets really not helping all that much in terms of damage...

most of the time the north position on this diamond makes hunters unable to shoot

I think that doesn't help much either.

Yeah... but I tear shit up with windfury and wingclip spam!

Yes, your hunters are doing something wrong. If the difference is that drastic they must somehow not be getting the buff at all, for most of the fight, or they're meleeing the whole time or something.

Typical Thaddius DMs for us have mages and fury warriors in the 275k-325k range, and hunters at around 225k.

This is only 1/4 of the position, and its only sometimes, not always. I understand how this would effect hunter damage, but not to the degree that it currently is, 1/8 damage is a HUGE difference. If I recall, the average for hunters were about 120k (low end) with around 165k being the high end.

I'm assuming most hunters position with the raid, then take a few steps back and fire away after they've received the buff, correct?


We reset at p2.

That was more just saying what I do :P I always reset at phase 2 (just to have some sort of reference).

Whenever Polarity Shift is casting, I run to ~3-4 yards. After checking debuff, I run to minimum range for ranged (8 yards) and just start blasting away when the bonus is stacked up. Rinse and repeat.

I noticed you're a Horde guild. This tip (thanks Praetorian) might help, especially for any Tauren hunters you might have:
Savory Deviate Delight
Without using it, I get about ~10-12 stacked, with it I get 17-19 stacked, due to my hitbox being smaller. This fish is my single best consumable for this fight (not that we have many to choose from though).
That adds up fast.

I keep seeing this mentioned, but how does your hitbox being smaller cause you to get more stacks?

Hunters are just bad for this fight. Really, they're just bad in general if you're trying max out your dps. I would suggest taking the minimum number of hunters possible to this fight. in a two spot rotation like my guild uses, I spend twice the time other classes do during polarity shift transitions due to my minimum range limit (yes i get the full buff) and my pet does almost nothing for my dps. Add to this that hunters don't really come close to rogues and mages to begin with, and you can sort of see where the problem starts. IMO, just tag out one or two of your hunters for mages and you'll be able to hammer out that 1%.

I'm not sure if that's a solution. Usually you'll find that people are making due with what they have :S

Last Patchwerk kill we had 41 people online, but that's an entirely different issue.

If the diamond positioning is not working for you try a 'square'. That way they can back up in all of the 4 camps and the podium behind thaddius is never in the way.

Anyone who uses the left-right strategy tends to leave Hunters behind, they do better on the back-forth strategy, but in all honesty this fight is just simply not a Hunter fight. It hurts I know, but that is just the nature of the beast

Have your hunters box a mage, or any other dps class if you can't meet the budget with them around.