5 Second Rule

• Hamlet · 09/17/06, 5:53 PM

Was the functionality of the 5SR tweaked at some point? For a while, I was distinctly under the impression that it only triggered when you spent mana. As such, you could get full regen ticks while channeling, or immediately after casting a Clearcast spell.

I didn't have time to test this thoroughly, but I noticed some things today. Basically, I stood in town chaincasting Blizzard.
--As long as I chaincast correctly, I would never see a full-size tick, even though it's an 8 second channel.
--I was seeing reduced ticks even during the channeling of a Clearcast Blizzard.
--One exception: I would see a full tick during the channeling of (near the end of) the Blizzard that procced a Clearcast. No explanation for this one.

One note--I was relying on CT_TickMod for this info. Could there have been any issues there (unlikely)?

I'm going to check during the raid today whether you can still squeeze in a full tick when you Clearcast a Fireball, but I wanted to throw this out there in case anyone's already noticed what's going on.

Kenjiwing · 09/17/06, 5:56 PM

i thought you meant the.. O SHIT I DROPPED IT 5 seconds before its bad to eat rule :(

Cmpnd · 09/17/06, 6:02 PM

They changed it some time ago (not sure what patch - sorry) that you will not regen full mana while Channeling. I forget whether or not you get mana on the next tick after channeling or 5 seconds after.

Things like Inner Focus that take no mana still don't put you in the 5SR as far as I know.

EDIT: To elaborate a bit, neither Inner Focus nor the spell cast for free trigger the 5SR. I would say that the actual Clearcasted spell does not trigger the 5SR. Hope that clarifies things a bit.

saramin · 09/17/06, 6:02 PM

Channeling spells don't activate FSR regen at any point. Easy test: mind vision something at half mana.

I believe full regen should initiate immediately after you stop channeling. Though I could be wrong on this however, I've been on sabbatical from WoW for a while.

• frmorrison · 09/17/06, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by saramin

I believe full regen should initiate immediately after you stop channeling.

That is how I see it work on my Mage. When I am chaining Blizzard, I wait a bit before casting the second blizzard so I get a spirit tic.

henaki · 09/17/06, 8:40 PM

They changed it so channeled spells don't begin the 5SR until the channeling ends, and the 5SR used to start when you began to cast a spell that cost mana, but now it's the end of the spell, this was because healers were canceling their spells and losing regen for it.
Edit: Spells that cost ZERO MANA don't affect the 5SR at all, unless there are exceptions to Inner Focus and CC.

Boevis · 09/17/06, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by henaki

They changed it so channeled spells don't begin the 5SR until the channeling ends, and the 5SR used to start when you began to cast a spell that cost mana, but now it's the end of the spell, this was because healers were canceling their spells and losing regen for it.
Edit: Spells that cost ZERO MANA don't affect the 5SR at all, unless there are exceptions to Inner Focus and CC.

No, Channeled spells begin your "while casting" when it begins and you leave it when the Channeled spell ends. I begin casting Tranquility, I drop to 38 mana per tic, Tranquility fades and I'm back up to 84 mana per tic.

Northerner · 09/17/06, 11:05 PM

Zero mana spells not initiating the 5SR was wonderful back in the days of the -flat cost to casting items. Chaining 100 mana spells and getting full regen was amusing.

Althor · 09/18/06, 12:50 AM

How were you chaining 100 mana spells and getting full regen? The only -mana items I recall there being were Spirit of Aquementas (I think I actually still have mine. Mostly as a memorial for the nerf :/) and Choker of Enlightenment. They were both -25 each.

So -50 in total.

Northerner · 09/18/06, 2:11 AM

Then I'm guessing my memory is foggy. It was pre-nerf neck and SoA and I was thinking of at 50 for each item but I stand corrected. It wasn't exactly crazy hacks anyhow as R1 frostbolts were cheap enough to regen at full while seeking clearcasts with either one. Others may have found better uses of course.

Althor · 09/18/06, 2:35 AM

While I didn't have Choker of Enlightenment, I did have Spirit of Aquementas and it was very nice for me. ;)

I would kite Paladins around in duels spamming rank 1 SW:P whenever I wasn't doing anything else, just looking for Blackout procs or for them to dispel it, while at the same time stacking up Shadowweaving.

Soul · 09/18/06, 3:13 AM

Originally Posted by Northerner

Then I'm guessing my memory is foggy. It was pre-nerf neck and SoA and I was thinking of at 50 for each item but I stand corrected. It wasn't exactly crazy hacks anyhow as R1 frostbolts were cheap enough to regen at full while seeking clearcasts with either one. Others may have found better uses of course.

You could cheese with Rank 1 Scorch. Given the Choker, SoA and the Pristine Hide of the Beast Hat, along with infiinite Ignite stacks and Curse of Elements, you could get some relatively nasty dps (remember, everything really sucked back then) for no mana.

And then there was the infinite Flash of Light spam Paladins could get. I'm pretty sure this was the immediate reason why the big SoA nerf took place. There were lots of Paladins in raids and once you got a few with Chokers and SoA, you didn't have healing longevity issues any more.

Greybone · 09/18/06, 3:21 AM

Originally Posted by Kenjiwing

i thought you meant the.. O SHIT I DROPPED IT 5 seconds before its bad to eat rule :(

Rule more like urban legend: http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/dropped.asp
:)

Kaubel · 09/18/06, 7:47 AM

Well you have to blow on it too. Duh.