I was being patronizing when I should have been direct with my message: This thread is filled with posts that seem to seperate 'elite/skilled' and 'attitude' and implied the requirement for a balance of the two. I don't believe that there is any coralation between skill and attitude, I'll kiss ass and cite EJ as an example. Their skill and knowledge of the game is without question, and enough of them are perfectly decent folks to disprove any argument of (1-skill)= Attitude.
I don't think anyone was trying to make that correlation. They were merely saying that while skill is important, even a Sun Tzu wouldn't be worth keeping around if he makes the rest of his guild feel like crap.
Going back to Proeliata's example; I don't believe that leaving the raid, going afk, or purposely wiping the raid again would serve any good purpose, even if it makes you feel better and that you've proved your point, most people aren't going to be seeing things through your eyes and may consider you to be the asshole.
Of course not! I never indicated that I'd do something like that. There's no point punishing 38 people for the wrongs done by one person. What I was saying is that a guild that has players that are constantly and consistently rude and insulting is not a guild that's going to last, no matter how much of a purplez machine it is. But the point is that the attitudes of the other raiders do make an impact. In the words of my good buddy John Donne (:P)
"No man is an island, entire of itself
every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main"
Maybe it's a faux pas to quote poetry in a raid discussion thread; I don't know. But saying that you shouldn't be affected by the attitudes of other people around you is a bit unreasonable. We're all only human. It's an MMORPG, which kind of reinforces the whole "You are not independent from other people" theme. Everyone has their pride, and nobody likes to be insulted. Yes, there will be some flipping out (I did just tonight at a priest who was rezzing non-rezzers before rezzers :P) but it shouldn't be, as a general rule, done by the rank and file of the guild; that's what the raid leaders/officers are there for.