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Old 09/20/06, 8:27 PM   #1
quikkly
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Archimonde
Basically I'm over MS raid DPS and looking for a solid spec based for alliance warrior.

Gear:

Severance, 1092 AP, 30 Crit in Battle Stance (Non Axe Spec)

I've seen alot going for horde builds but looked alot haven't found a 2h fury build for Alliance that I like to much.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 09/20/06, 8:31 PM   #2
Rane
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I'm curious as to how you think a different spec is better for Alliance than for Horde. What don't you like about the 2h Fury "Alliance" builds that you've seen and what are they?

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Old 09/20/06, 8:32 PM   #3
quikkly
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Mostly the fact that I dont have a WF Totem, to which I would simply slam spam and WF things to death.

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Old 09/20/06, 8:35 PM   #4
inzamam
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If it was strictly for raiding, I would go 19/32. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pIMxbmZVxzVMxkqo
Static 4% extra dmg to all 2h attacks is pretty sweet, and no deepwounds to interrupt CC.

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Old 09/20/06, 8:49 PM   #5
Kegsta
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i like this one myself http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVMxdVZqxzV0xRVo
i don't rate impale for pve to highly, i love anger management myself, aswell as full deflection if you do any sort of tanking.

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Old 09/20/06, 9:02 PM   #6
Rane
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Originally Posted by inzamam
If it was strictly for raiding, I would go 19/32. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pIMxbmZVxzVMxkqo
Static 4% extra dmg to all 2h attacks is pretty sweet, and no deepwounds to interrupt CC.
Improved Charge?
Improved Heroic Strike?
1 point in Improved Intercept, and 1 in Improved Berserker Rage?

Back to warriorschool you go and take a "how to fill out a profile" course as well.

Provided I'd go 2h Fury at all (DW right now is a lot better for straight up PvE DPS which I assume you mean by "raid spec"), I'd prolly go with this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LMhxbIbZE0uV0xoVo

Impale for the 2h special crits, use Cleave as a ragedump rather than HS. You could be the Demo Shout guy in the guild, but I prefer longer BShouts. Rest would be self-explanatory.

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Old 09/20/06, 9:52 PM   #7
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Impale is overrated for PvE, I agree with the first guy. I'd drop impale and improved cleave and get the later fury stuff.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pGMxdMZE0zVMxRio

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Old 09/20/06, 11:37 PM   #8
inzamam
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Originally Posted by Rane
Originally Posted by inzamam
If it was strictly for raiding, I would go 19/32. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pIMxbmZVxzVMxkqo
Static 4% extra dmg to all 2h attacks is pretty sweet, and no deepwounds to interrupt CC.
Improved Charge?
Improved Heroic Strike?
1 point in Improved Intercept, and 1 in Improved Berserker Rage?

Back to warriorschool you go and take a "how to fill out a profile" course as well.

Provided I'd go 2h Fury at all (DW right now is a lot better for straight up PvE DPS which I assume you mean by "raid spec"), I'd prolly go with this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LMhxbIbZE0uV0xoVo

Impale for the 2h special crits, use Cleave as a ragedump rather than HS. You could be the Demo Shout guy in the guild, but I prefer longer BShouts. Rest would be self-explanatory.
No improved Execute, Automatic fail.

5 secs off intercept is awesome. 1 in berserker rage for a spot of snap rage.

Improved HS is good for dps/tanking/Pvp so it adds variety.
Its either imp charge or imp Thunderclap if you want 2h spec.

Cleave costs 8 more rage than Imp. Heroic strike. He is alliance remember so his rage management is much more important than a horder Warrior with WF.

Imp execute is one of the best Talents we get. Get it if your able. If I was MS and considered my raiding more important than pvp, id go 3 enrage and 2 imp execute.

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Old 09/20/06, 11:39 PM   #9
Artaxz
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http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdVmoZVVdVMVo

All the goodies...PH, SS, ImpSlam, DW, Axe Spec

Or drop Axe spec and SS and pick up ImpInt ImpBR and BT.

Best thing is to get an Ashkandi, get impslam and sword spec and kick pve ass.

Ok its not great, get a Iblis and Castigator you noob.


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Old 09/20/06, 11:44 PM   #10
inzamam
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Originally Posted by Artaxz
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdVmoZVVdVMVo

All the goodies...PH, SS, ImpSlam, DW, Axe Spec

Or drop Axe spec and SS and pick up ImpInt ImpBR and BT.

Best thing is to get an Ashkandi, get impslam and sword spec and kick pve ass.

Ok its not great, get a Iblis and Castigator you noob.
Lol, im getting a hint of sarcasm, so I hope it is a joke....I lol'd when I saw the lack of flurry.

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Old 09/20/06, 11:51 PM   #11
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Not having Bloodthirst or MS = a joke.

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Old 09/21/06, 12:05 AM   #12
Ren
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This is the build I would use if I was 2H fury in raids: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pMhxbIbZVVzVMxkVo

There's an extra point floating in Fury I stuck into Imp Intercept; this point can go anywhere. I picked Imp Demo over Unbridaled Wrath even though the latter would add more dps because the rage it adds is extremely insignificant with a 2h. As for the Arms tree, the two filler points in Parry can go into Imp Heroic Strike if you want. I put five points in TM because you'll swap stances a lot to OP, and you need some to WW.

Impale and Deep Wounds add a lot of dps to a 2h build. Two points in Impale are better than 2 points in 2H spec.

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Old 09/21/06, 12:16 AM   #13
Kegsta
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Ren. you got unbrideled wrath but not anger management? - in the spec you linked anyway, which for 1 point will generate more rage that UW (1 rage every 2 seconds isn't it?)

impale is a bit of a toss up, just costs to many points imo.

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Old 09/21/06, 12:40 AM   #14
Khalim
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Funny thing about 2H fury is that there are quite a few different options, or the other way of viewing it there arnt that many talents which will improve single target pve dps so you have lots of fillers and floating points

Suggest put your gear into Deathwings spreadsheet and see what the best spec is:
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...p?id=7030&p=20

there is almost no difference between 5/5 2h spec with anger man vs 3/5 2h and impale
on the fury side imp cleave gives nice increase in pve aoe dmg, imp zerg/intercept are nice pvp options

imp hs adds very little dps to duel wield and even less to 2h fury, maxing deflection in my opinion is almost always the better option, esp if you OT at all. Unbridled wrath adds very little rage with a 2H as well.

For what its worth this is what I would go for pretty close to max pve single target dps with nice aoe dmg and deflection for tanking:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdVZVxbVMxoVo

http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

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Old 09/21/06, 12:53 AM   #15
inzamam
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Originally Posted by Khalim
For what its worth this is what I would go for pretty close to max pve single target dps with nice aoe dmg and deflection for tanking:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdVZVxbVMxoVo
Hey thats a good build, I like how your picked up 5/5 2h spec, only modification id do is drop out Cleave and add a point to Piercing howl, PH is awesome for tanking multiple adds and ccing mobs and players. And improved Intercept.

Revised build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdVZVxzVMxkVo

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Old 09/21/06, 1:06 AM   #16
Artaxz
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Originally Posted by inzamam
Originally Posted by Artaxz
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdVmoZVVdVMVo

All the goodies...PH, SS, ImpSlam, DW, Axe Spec

Or drop Axe spec and SS and pick up ImpInt ImpBR and BT.

Best thing is to get an Ashkandi, get impslam and sword spec and kick pve ass.

Ok its not great, get a Iblis and Castigator you noob.
Lol, im getting a hint of sarcasm, so I hope it is a joke....I lol'd when I saw the lack of flurry.
Uh, yea.

To the OP, who seems to only care about PvE dps....get the standard 17/34/0 spec, lots of hit and 2 nice wpns. If you are in a guild that is past Patchwerk, wait for a Castigator and grab an Iblis.

AM I taking Crazy Pills or Something?


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Old 09/21/06, 1:13 AM   #17
Ren
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Originally Posted by Kegsta
Ren. you got unbrideled wrath but not anger management? - in the spec you linked anyway, which for 1 point will generate more rage that UW (1 rage every 2 seconds isn't it?)

impale is a bit of a toss up, just costs to many points imo.
I meant to pick up Imp Demo Shout, not UW. :o
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LMhxbIbZVxzVMxkVo

The 20/31 build Khalim linked is good also, I just prefer a slightly more PvP-friendly spec with Impale/Deep Wounds and Piercing Howl (Gluth too) over Imp Cleave/Parry.

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Old 09/21/06, 1:20 AM   #18
inzamam
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Originally Posted by Artaxz
Uh, yea.

To the OP, who seems to only care about PvE dps....get the standard 17/34/0 spec, lots of hit and 2 nice wpns. If you are in a guild that is past Patchwerk, wait for a Castigator and grab an Iblis.

AM I taking Crazy Pills or Something?
Everyone knows Dw with good epics will always out dps 2h's. Maybe the OP just likes the concept of carrying a massive 2h around.

A big 2hander is arguably better for pvp as fury tho, for more dmg when jousting, and you dont take such a stam hit from stacking +hit gear.

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Old 09/21/06, 2:23 AM   #19
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If we're 2handing it, slam is on the menu assuming you are not terrible at timing your slams =P

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pV0xbZVVuVMEoqo

Dual wield is ahead atm from every set of gear I've seen numbers on, but if you just want to 2hand it, that won't do too badly. If you're in naxx consider swapping unbridled and booming voice - the extra range on demo would be nice during the gluth kite (which you'll get stuck helping on).

First star to the right, and straight on till morning.

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Old 09/21/06, 2:54 AM   #20
Grayson Carlyle
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Imp slam is broken. You get the global cooldown and you can't use slam more than 1.5s anyway, and you certainly won't get any autoattacks off.

The one Khalim linked, with the change of maybe Imp HS for less in Tac Mas to help tanking is the best you're gonna do for 2H Fury. Switching to overpower with 2H fury is _not_ worth it. Just use it up on slam. Imp Overpower is strictly for solo where you're switching stances often. Imp Execute is definatley a must, but switch in a fast 1H or 2, as consistent 10 rage executes are far better than inconsistent 40 rage executes.

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Old 09/21/06, 3:00 AM   #21
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Does slam activate global cooldown? If so, dropping the cast time does nothing.

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Old 09/21/06, 3:03 AM   #22
krucifix85
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it makes it viable in pvp!

*shrug* i dunno what they're thinking.

http://ctprofiles.net/13134

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Old 09/21/06, 3:34 AM   #23
Kegsta
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if you only do 1 slam it works fine, chain casting it and its useless yer, crap tallent for sure, now if slam didn't reset swing timer 2 handers could do some nasty damage.

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Old 09/21/06, 3:35 AM   #24
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The last time I played a warrior actively trying to work out 2h fury imp slam did something. When did they break it? If it's dead (and I'm not disbelieving that blizz would break it) then you might as well get 2h spec. Boo for boring.

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Old 09/21/06, 3:41 AM   #25
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What would you think about:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LMhxdGbZVVbVMxoVo

Anger Management gives quite a bit of rage overall, but I don't know how it would compare to 1 more point in 2-handed spec.

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