Our problem is that we have completely free looting on T2.5 (via DKP). Currently the rogues have one T2.5 piece between all of them, where the Hunters have 4 and the Warriors 2 or 3.

These same warriors are then going to have priority on DN. Which I completely understand, but it's disheartening to know I'm not likely to see much T2.5 or T3 before the expansion.

We're a guild who has just downed Emps (last week) and are about to start Naxx, and I'm in something like 4/8 T2 and a mix of MC and ZG loot (and an AQR ;)). It's frustrating that my main realistic goal still has to be 8/8 T2, despite the fact we're starting on Naxx.

I guess the DKP evens it all out in the end though, as the rogues must build up a fair bit whilst T3 is on Warrior prio.

Mage boots huh? So you give priority with the cloth pieces to mages? That in itself is dumb. Warlocks benefit the most from their 2 piece bonus.

I don't recall us doing any any special progression for this. Initially we talked about doing it and making Deathdealer progression for rogues if they didn't have it, but other factors caused that idea to never happen. We reached 4H last night and I'm pretty sure we have at least a few 4/9 Warriors just via normal means.

On a sidenote, I can't believe we worked on Loatheb before Gothik. Gothik is on par with Razuvious difficulty.

Overreact much?

Incoming derail.

We just killed Patchwerk, Grobbulus (duh!) and Heigan the last 2 days and we're trying to decide where to go now. Would you suggest Gluth or Gothik as the next loot pinata?

Until a warlock has the possibility of wearing 5-6+ pieces of Plagueheart, there's no excuse for him to break the 5/5 Doomcaller bonus. Bracers and Belt + 5/5 Doomcaller is much better and should be quite possible to get for a guild just starting Naxxramas.

As far as Goon Squad goes, we just started Naxxramas and are still working on C'thun and Ouro so for right now we're just giving priority on the tokens to our two main tanks and then it'll be determined by DKP.

wha? gothik is one of the few fights i still feel like we risk wiping on each week. we actually leave him for after loatheb when we have our silly buffs up, just because the extra damage helps so much at overpowering the spawns.

In our guild we could never really come to a consensus about it, so its not really been hammered out one way or another. As it is, the most active tanks have a good bit of DN because they have the most dkp and also a lot of people pass to thme out of respect/progress desire/etc. However we never set out any concrete rules.

In general as a rogue if my guild said "too bad no tier 3 for you until we gear up our seventy billion offtanks" I wouldn't stick around unless some other concessions are made. I'd definitely say though that rogue prio on tier 2.5 and the weapons they want would be my personal preference, because rogues get excellent upgrades in a number of spaces, as well as their most important spaces, while warriors get their tanking gear. After a few drops have come, make it open bidding, or maybe give rogues prio.


I think it also heavily depends on the gear levels of the various classes in your guild. If you had a hard time with wrath drops, then give the warriors additional prio, because obviously all the rogues will be geared up. But I don't think giving full prio only to warriors is a good way to run a guild from a raiding perspective (how much is one offtanks armor going to offset needing more dps on noth?) or from a guild perspective, because alienating an entire class is a good way to shoot yourself in the foot. Good rogues are fairly rare, crappy rogues are a dime a dozen :)

Mages benefit from adding 1 crit to their boot slot, thus upping the ignite percentages and increasing raid wide dps. That said, we run with 3 locks, and 2 have their tier 3 boots, so its hardly an issue, and when I say "Mages" I really mean "Damage Casters"

Hmm....I think Warriors are the only ones who need any sort of priority, under any circumstances, on T3 loot...and I'm a Mage myself.

Derail inevitable.

Once we figured out our CC / Kill orders on the living side it only took us about 5 attempts to get that down, then we just needed a couple tries after that for dead side to adjust to the full spawns. Personally, I enjoy the fight a lot, I guess it just sort of clicked for us. Probably would have been a bit harder if we had fewer than 5 priests though.

You don't need 8 tanks at with 4 piece for 4H by any means. And what fights are you referring to, because I'm certainly not seeing this difference.