Nurru

Basically, just aim for 65% at 2 minutes and you'll get it without trouble when you buff.

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Footspeedy

Basic ways to raise your dps on loatheb

-Consumables/world buffs
-Respecs (example - Fury warriors are absolutely sick on this fight)
-Debuff Management (Keeping up Fearie Fire, CoE, CoR possibly even Gift of Arthas)
-Alternative Gearing, Nightfalls and edgemasters mainly, possibly healers wearing dps heavy gear
-Have healers bandage dps classes (8 seconds of a healing class dpsing is worth less dps then 8 seconds of a healer dpsing)
-Maximizing benefit of spores, fire mages>warriors>sword rogues>frost mages/hunters/warlocks>daggers
-Killing and getting in spore positions faster, you should be able to run there and keep casting(if ranged) have it spawn ontop of your entire group kill it and move away, spore shouldnt be up for more then 2s max.

 

Whitemane

How much would you say if you don't bother with world buffs? I'd like to see if we can do it without :)

 

◊ Kalman

Considering the time investment required in getting together the consumables for an attempt, why *wouldn't* you use world buffs as much as possible/reasonable? The 30 minutes it takes to do a quick heart/head buff and pick up the 5% buff in EPL is nothing in comparison to having to farm up another 120 shadow pots because you had a 1% wipe because you didn't pick up world buffs.

 

xkmonkey

We don't use world buffs and we aim to hit 62% at 2 minutes. We do a trial run before just to make sure we all the healers are comfortable and that we actually have the right people for that amount of dps. I was quite surprised when we edged out a kill this week with 4 warlocks and 6 hunters though.

 

Whitemane

Why would I waste 30 minutes each week picking up useless buffs if it is possible to do it without? We might end up doing it, but I sure as hell would like to know if we could save 30 minutes each week.

 

◊ Quigon

We did it this time for the first time without any world buffs or flasks - we did it more or less completely vanilla, barely. It wasn't even close to pretty. I'm not sure I wanna gamble each week personally.
I recommend world buffs for now :)

 

Nurru

Uh, I wasn't referring to world buffs. When I said buffs I meant merely dps pots and shadow pots. World buffs are a good way to trivialize the kill though. Taking 20 minutes to kill Ony can save your raid a couple thousand gold in that respect.

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Arkhon

First week after our first kill it was apparently too much hassle to go and get world buffs. We didn't have a heart though so it would have only been an Ony head most likely. It was a 3% wipe by the way and called it due to mass dc's. So not only is Loatheb still up, we wasted Flasks and 120 Shadow Pots.

I'd say spend the 20 minutes to get the world buffs if you've got them available.

 

Malan

I'm wondering, can someone with an example DPS chart that has a Warlock doing much better than average by using the Major Rejuv pot strategy, please post a link to that? I'm trying to help my locks do better here, on our world buff attempt they used the same consumable strat as the rest of the raid and barely edged out the shamans in DPS.

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Ra

For loatheb my guild has killed him probably 6-7 times and this past week ws our first killed with no outside buffs. It came down to ankhing and earthshocking. Alot of people weren't prepared for a no buff kill so our warlocks didn't have enough shards for 2 HS per person (one talented one not) and not everyone had thier DPS pots on them.

Regardless if you haven't killed Loatheb yet I would strongly suggest going and getting every buff imaginable. The biggest help from those buffs comes from the extra stamina from a ZG flask (so cheap, great item for hte fight), ZG heart, EPL buff. These can allow alot of your raiders to last an extra Impending Doom or two longer then originally and that allows more consumable timers to be up and last even longer.

 

FunBall

Urinalcake and Aspherion are almost always up there, and Ashperion would be closer, except I hose him and put him a bit further back in the rotation to get a few other people up a bit higher.

 

• Ren

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• Ren

Glancing blows can't crit, but Execute still can. Recklessness is a much better use of a CD unless the fight goes over 5min.

Alliance fury warriors can regenerate a ridiculous amount of life through Judgement of Light, Bloodthirst, and Crusader procs. I used only one GSPP and one 1200 Healthstone last time and survived with 250 HP.

 

TL-Seria

Given how high your crit chance is already with spore buff your executes will all crit anyways. I'd rather save my 30 min timer in case shit goes wrong (or he gets off a last doom before he dies and I'm at 1k hp only)

 

Chimp

Idd. I only need 2 shadow pots, 1 health stone and no bandages these days. Fury warrior + 2 fastish weapons on loatheb + JoL means you get back an insane amount of HP.

and just for good measure, a quick meter
www.ryanhannah.plus.com/loatheb.jpg

 

TL-Seria

I guess it hardly matters what timer you use when your loatheb kills are already that smooth.

 

Zyz

If you plan on getting world buffs and etc for loatheb, remind everyone not to go all out and pull aggro before they get their spores.
It may seem like a simple concept, but we had 2 rogues die before the 2nd spore, both of which didn't even do 190,000 damage.

Anyways, here's out meter for our last kill: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...37/loltheb.jpg
The raid dps is pretty low, due to the 2 deaths and extra healing we had in the raid, but it got the job done i guess :x

Quick tip for beginners, you can sometimes save buffs by running through the gate during a wipe, if you jump around in the corner of it you can sometimes make it out and reset him.
Saves a ton of money.

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Malan

Crazy question here - trying to decide how to squeeze the best DPS out of our shaman while wearing primarily healing gear. We're trying to decide between melee with flametongue and searing totem with shocks, or to chain cast LBs with searing totem. Anyone have any hard evidence for one way or the other, or is there even such a thing as a shaman DPS calculator for situations like this?

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GamingManiac

Malan, it would actually depend on the mages/warlocks in your raid and if you get the buff. If you get the buff and you have at least a frost mage with the winter's chill, frost shock will never hit for less than 1k with curse of elements. Flame shock is better DPS and DPM unbuffed, on a normal target, but when you're critting 70% of the time, frost shock becomes better because the dot doesn't do more when the main portion crits, and it just eats up a debuff slot too.

If you've got 11 in enhancement, just bring a big 2Her, windfury it and autoattack. My spec's 0/20/31 and I have a Nightfall from when the guild was figuring out who it was good on, and I autoattack with NF (and flurry stays up lolforever), spam frost shock everytime it's up until I hover around 20% mana, then just play it safe with shocking from that point on, so I don't go oom at a critical time. It's far, far easier to do enhancement DPS than it is to do elemental DPS if you have a good 2Her, even if you're still wearing mostly healing gear. lol 5 Earthshatter and a 2Her.

Unless, you're in a mage/ranged group and you can't drop poison cleansing. Then just drop back and spam lightning bolts. Long story short, what you do should be based around what kind of people you have in the raid and in your party.

 

sadistic

This is our meter from last night. Final ofc got an insane ignitestack and shared abit with majed. Warberry is a top notch fury, the rest of the warriors are fury and decently equipped.
My gripe is the hunters, for some reason the hunters we have are well equipped, mostly with aq40 gear, some bwl and some nax but they are still doing what i think of as shit dps. I've talked abit to them and they say they pop aimed+multi whenever those are up and heavy on the consumables but dunno, hunters almost never come within top5 on our various meters. Usually not on top10 (except the most decked 5+ cs etc)
Yorgen is a shit equipped warrior, wortex&grotezq are well equipped but they both ld'ed at around 30%
Urolik is our MT

 

Sabr

The problem with hunters in this fight is that it is utterly impossible to maintain any kind of a rotation. I am out of mana at around 2:30 with no means of gaining it back again. Mana pots are on cooldown and Dark runes are out of the question. Sometimes I get lucky and get given a shaman for mana tide/mana spring and that can keep me going for 3:30 to 4 minutes, but it's still not enough.

 

• Chicken

I'd guess that due to the nature of the fight, the large difference between being able to DPS well or not for Hunters is intimately bound to the 6-piece bonus of the Cryptstalker set.

50% extra crit rate combined with 50 mana for each crit adds up pretty fast.

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sadistic

okies, but what would you say is a good fight in naxx to gauge hunter dps? i see that even on a supposedly good fight like patchwerk, our hunters come out right above our locks >.<

 

Bender

Loatheb is a decent fight for us, at least for alliance. With BoW/JoW, mageblood, dual mana oils and mp/5 food I have a very hard time going oom. I'm 5/9 cs so I don't have the imba bonus yet either. Our first kill the DM looked like this:


Your best hunter is 10k below our second, so it's not extreme but I'm pretty sure they could do more if they have the gear for it. It's worth noting that this damagemeter is with pet damage added to owner. I encourage all raid leaders to have that activated when they judge hunter dps. I would probably drop 5-6 ranks on the meter if I didn't merge my pets damage with my own.

Oh and:
1&2: luckiest igniters.
3,4,5: decently geared DW warrs, nothing amazing though.
6: Human sword rogue
7: Less fortunate igniter
8: Human sword rogue
9: 20/31/0 hunter
10: Less fortunate igniter
11: Warrior, not sure what weapons he used here but it was either 2h fury or dw fury
12: Less fortunate igniter
13: 20/31/0 hunter
14: ss rogue
15: ss rogue

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