For those of us who aren't quite sure: what is the timing on Doom and how much damage does it inflict? Thanks.

Do you honestly not know of any resources for answering this question on your own? How is that possible?

I checked WowWikki, but I wanted confirmation, I've known them to be wrong before. Basic strategy sites that I frequent do not cover through Loatheb, most other information I have found gives details about good consumable rotations, but not the actual doom itself. If I wanted to question the rotation I'd like to know the basis.

A single try on Loatheb would net you an answer.

Doom will do shadow 2550 damage 10 sec after it has been applied. It cannot be resisted, but talents like spell warding affect it (2295 damage).

Doom start times, damage 10 sec after this:
2:00
2:30
3:00
3:30
4:00
4:30
5:00
5:15
5:30
5:45

Usually watching videos is the best way, if you want really avoid actually testing it ingame.

I know I just got called out but come on. If we were on Loatheb yes I would have this basic info and I wouldn't be asking silly questions. We're not but I like to know about future encounters.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day....

You know the name of the ability, right? It's Inevitable Doom. Even if you weren't sure, but just remembered that it had "Doom" in the name, that's enough. Go to Thottbot. Type "Doom" in the search box. Click on "Uncategorized Spells" at the top, or scroll down manually. See that Inevitable Doom entry? Click it. There, now you know how much damage it does.

Ok, so how often does he use it? Lots of ways to find this out (hell, looking in the Bigwigs lua for Loatheb would tell you), but let's assume you want something that is indisputable. Well, go to worldofraids.com and click on Movies. Scroll down to Loatheb movies. Pick one. Curse videos are usually a good bet because Fura takes very high-quality fraps in which you can read all the combat text -- so do lots of others, but it's better not to download a big file and then discover that it's grainy and you can barely see what's happening. Anyway, watch the video. Assuming it isn't sped up (which some are! check visible time stamps and buff/debuff durations to make sure the video is playing at normal speed) this will show you exactly when Doom starts, and when the subsequent ones happen. It'll also show you one perspective on what the fight looks like.

Thank you for the detailed info. I never thought of looking into the lua's for timing information, and the comments on good video sources were also quite helpful. I've been using google video for speed and convenience, but the poor resolution makes it difficult to see logs. I'll be sure to do my research more thoroughly in the future.

heh, yes, it was a joke. the actual kill was 6 mages, at least one of whom is Frost. And I think 4 locks and 6 rogues, 4 hunters, 3 DPS warriors. Took 5:40m or something.

There's a bunch of people flaming our forums with math to prove we're lying about a half minute kill, it's weird :S

Largely offtopic, but if Blizzard doesn't change the way multiple Stormstrikes stack, in the expansion with the debuff limit increasing to 40, imagine the following scenario:

1 warrior
38 Stormstrike shamans
1 elemental shaman

All 38 enhancement shamans Stormstrike simultaneously, giving the target 1.2^38 = 102067% damage taken from nature attacks. You can figure out the rest. :)

(Yes, I bet this won't make it live unchanged, but the potential for comedy is endless, a la the Kazzak-soloing paladin with pre-nerf Reckoning.)

What can you say, people are idiots :(. Anyway grats on the kill, especially lasting that long, I guess we stinge on the consumables alot but we barely survive the 5:15 doom.

The cooldown on Stormstrike is 20 seconds, and it affects the next two sources of nature damage.

Earth Shock? Why do you think I brought an Elemental shaman.

Try a Natural Alignment Crystal-powered Elemental Mastery Lightning Bolt for 2500+ guaranteed base damage (actual damage close to 3mil), followed by a second one that goes off before Loatheb reaches the shaman (since supposing that the first bolt will pull aggro is a wee bit of an understatement). Stormstrike has two charges. Even if the second one doesn't crit, it'll still do well over 1mil damage. If he's still alive, well, just heal the tank for another 15 seconds until SS cools down, and then it's over.

!!! I seriously think you should run and do that. And please Fraps, we would all really enjoy it.

I'm imagining 38 shaman with Unstoppable Forces and Wristguards of True Flight hanging out on the naxx portal. I think something in my head snapped ....

It isn't possible until the expansion. 16 debuff slots caps possible damage at a reasonable (though still pretty funny) level -- there's a video of someone doing this in AB with 14 shamans and berserking buff to do 30k+ damage with a CL. But you can't really use that to cheese PvE content because the numbers just aren't large enough. Now, allow for 40 debuffs on a mob, and the exponential scaling gets out of hand in a hurry....

I wouldn't be surprised if Stormstrike's stacking did change, the thread that containing the video on someone doing just that (with 13 Stormstikes, 1 PI Priest, and the Shaman with that Crystal) had quite a bit of hits.

The shaman had about a 25,000 Chain Lighting, which has more base damage than Lighting Bolt.

However, the 38th Stormstrike should add more than just a PI, but Chain Lighting should do more damage than a Lighting Bolt.

With good +dam gear, Bolt > CL. It's 0.5sec slower.

38 Shaman all SSing someone is enough to kill anyone. Say it hits for 400, so each Shaman would do 800 damage, or 30,400. Only a pally with fast reaction skills could survive that onslaught.

38 of about anything can be quite deadly.

Even if they were Pallys all concencrating at once, the ticks would be enough to kill. Ticks go for about 50 damage each, but that would be 1900 damage a second for 8 seconds, and there are 38 stuns to make sure the person remains in the death area.
The only people to survive would be a shield wall warriors or a 41 Disc Preist that used a FAP (of course a pally could survive that).

You'd think your DPS shaman would at least be able to get the spore debuff first.

But then you're settling for a plodding 20-second kill. Unacceptable!

Make sure one of them is Nightfall bitching.