Jo_

I've been thinking about this for weeks and just had to ask.

I started trolling your forums a year ago and you've allways seemed to be the perfect high end guild. The way you run your guild has been both a inspiration and a confirmation to me as a officier about many many issues and i've done my best to go in the same direction with our guild. You treat people like people and have a very big amount of players and I admire the organization.

now, why is there no progress, that screen on the front page is getting old and i'm wondering if there's anything we need to watch out for. this is not a trolling atempt but a genouine concern.

 

• Arawethion

Guess: They've gotten this far without without recruiting extra tanks, and they're certainly not going to do it now.

Carrot Cake Soup is like the taste of watching girls make out.

 

• Cardrian

I had a long wordy reply all written out but none of that's needed really. We're still progressing. It just takes longer with a guild the size of ours who cannot (or do not) field the same 40 people every night of raiding.

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• Fogbug

Nothing terribly drastic's happened, we just had a bunch of tanks go away to school and be unavailable for a few weeks. We had at least one whole sunday afternoon of 4H attempts get scrapped because there were 3 warriors and 2 druids available at start time

things are back on track, though. The page should get updated soon :]

 

Lateralus

Good to hear.

 

Hanny

I still <3 EJ. For what it's worth :)

 

Vosk

I don't! I hatses them allses!

[13:49] <manly> buu: RIGHT NOW, ALL THE DATA WE HAVE IS 7.3% MULTIPLIER
[13:49] <manly> FUCK

 

Judia

I wonder if EJ, or any other guild, is suffering a lack of progress due to the inpending expansion. It saddens me to read so many of my core raiders telling me they no longer feel the need to progress, or in some cases even play, with the expansion bing "Just around the corner". It would be some, small, comfort to know it is not just us who are suffering this malaise.

 

◊ Kaubel

If anything, I'd rather be geared out the ass, making the trip from 60 to 70 that much quicker.

 

Judia

I agree, but the argument I always get in return is "Well Ill replace it all 2 days after the expansion so why bother". I got these sentiments from 3/4 of our most core players who are former guild leaders from the top guild on our server until it imploded. While I dont believe it myself, Im sure far more people listen to rumours conjecture and 1/2 screenshots than a little common sense and slightly better run forums such as these. Even the more sensible member of our raid seem to be succumbing to a feeling of "why bother".

Maybe it is just us.

 

• Daboran

I think you may find those that have the attitude that its not worth playing because better loot is available later are precisely those who aren't your best guild members. You'll find that guilds with players in it for the challenge and progression are the ones pushing as hard as ever.

 

Arketh

I guess the people who want to `be the best` will simply keep raiding as usual.

But there is a very definite element of uncertainty right now as to what will happen post-expansion and not a huge amount of time until we find out. Barring major disaster, it looks like TBC will be out before the end of the year.

It is no great surprise that those who were in some way thinking of taking a rest have chosen this time to do so.

There will also be a significant number of people who are preparing to re-roll. The new crop of Alliance shaman and Horde bloodknights will, I suspect, be gearing up for massive twinkage to level 70. And some people will be wanting to play the new races also.

Taking my own example - Nightelf priest - rerolling to Draenei in TBC seems a valid move. The +hit aura alone beats all the nelf basic plus priest racials combined, the Elekk looks cute and following a few weeks behind everyone else in Outlands will mean not having to quest in lands scoured clean of monsters by the slavering mob.

Inevitably, this will effect some raid groups and their current motivation. Sucky, but unavoidable under the circumstances.

Si Motis Transfixus

 

Kasonic

Personally I feel that unless your guild has a strong chance of experiencing C'Thun(i.e. killing Twin Emps) or Kel'Thuzad, why bother? Those two alone are very significant and enjoyable(I'm assuming here that KT is on some level), but if you're going to end up a week from expansion on like Huhuran or Gluth that would be fairly weaksauce.

If you're within reach, go for it and at least make your mark on that level of content while it still means something, but if you can't for whatever reason just sit tight and enjoy what's coming up.

My opinion is most likely influenced by the fact that I'm been guildless for about a month or so and haven't killed anything in Naxx, but oh well.

 

Jo_

thanks for the reponses, that makes sense. on the derail topic, don't know if my mindset is very unusual but seriously who cares about stuff like that, nax is fun and progress is fun so you keep doing that and that's that.

 

malthrin

The related question I've been considering lately concerns the 4 Horsemen specifically - we've got the Spider Wing + Razuv clear and Noth to 1% the other night, so I'm kind of figuring we're in position to reach the Horsemen in a couple of months. If not for TBC looming, I'd be pushing to prep for them by recruiting up to 8 Warriors, making more of an effort to prioritize loot for 4/9 DN, and so on.

But would we be justified in recruiting more members when we're already forecasting roster cuts for TBC? Can we justify restricting months of loot for an encounter that may be vastly diminished, progression-wise, as soon as we reach it? I don't know. I've reconciled myself to accepting the GM's decisions, and I don't envy him the choice. Maintaining momentum in progression content seems to require choices that might be counterproductive to the efforts to maintain social cohesion through the tumult of the expansion.

Feel free to advise whether my estimate is realistic, by the way, or with your own views on the 4HM prep problem.

 

Judia

We are currently farming crap for serious runs on patchwerk, c'thun is on fairly solid farm status. For us there is no real carrot other than perhaps thaddius.

Ill quote my former number 2 who ran raids in a thread on our forums:
There is alot I disagree with in that statement, but I am starting to feel alot of raiders are feeling that way.

 

Renaldo

Why should I do MC when AQ is coming out next week? I mean, my uber DM/UBRS blues are good enough for AQ, right?

 

Judia

The difference is that level 70's greens and blues will be good enough for raid content by simple expediant that the content has to be accessable to new players without requireing them to run pre-expansion content for 18 months.

Comparing a level 60 in level 60 blues with a level 60 in T3 is NOT the same as comparing a level 70 in level 70 blues with a level 70 in T3. which is why your argument doesnt hold water.

 

Lateralus

Poor comparison IMO. MC and AQ are on 2 different tiers, the content from 60-70 will have to be completeable in greens, for the vast majority of WoW, just like instances pre raiding. Blizzard wouldn't alienate the vast majority of its audience.

 

• diospadre

Completely different situation, as pre UBRS greens will probably be sufficient to get you through the first few levels in BC.

 

Ouroboros

For me, as a member of a faily mediocre naxx guild (killed c'thun, maexx, raz, noth and working on heigan), my guildies and I are trying our hardest to progress as fast as possible, so we get to see as much of naxx before TBC is released and it becomes obselete. I know we probably won't reach KT but I'd still like to experience as much as I can.

 

Sancus

The amount of time saved from better gear is probably less than 1/20th the amount of time required to get that gear in the first place, if not less. The only reason to keep going with Naxx at this point is just to do Naxx, gear is far from being a sane motivator at this point.

Another thing to keep in mind is that a large part of the time requirement in levelling is travel time, not time spent actually in combat dealing damage to mobs.

<Vontre> I removed the cooldown on evo
<sancus> and what happened?
<Vontre> DPS went down rofl

 

◊ Kaubel

What difference does pulling random statistics out of your ass make? Are you suggesting I just tell my guild, "I have enough gear to good enough in TBC, so I'm stopping now. See you guys in 3 months!"?

Sorry, sport. You're not going to convince me that shit gear is just as good as full T3 come expansion. Quitting now is just a lame excuse to either concede defeat in Naxx or become too lazy to better yourself and your guild.

 

Sancus

No, I'm not suggesting that. See, you read my post, then start inventing things. It's pretty amazing. I'm saying that the reason to do Naxx is *to do Naxx*. For your guild. As an accomplishment.

The gear has been rendered so laughably irrelevant it's not even worth discussing anymore. Especially for healers, because, *surprise*, healing gear from Naxx is 100% useless in the expansion.

When you consider that anyone competent is gonna be level 70 in under 2 weeks, talking about gear that it takes you 3-4 months to get and improves your damage by like 10% over AQ/BWL gear that you already have is just ridiculous.

<Vontre> I removed the cooldown on evo
<sancus> and what happened?
<Vontre> DPS went down rofl

 

• Snowy

Because, you know, everyone can play WoW 24/7.

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