POH Range.

Johnlok · 09/25/06, 12:00 PM

Default range on POH is 30 yards (check the tooltip). However, after I tested it, it seems that it's more like 26ish yards (you can test range by using shadow protect, which is also 30 yards). Can anybody explain if that's an intended design due to the nature of the spell, or if this is just a Blizz screw-up?

Kalman · 09/25/06, 12:05 PM

Could be as simple as POH range being center of model to hitbox vs. Shadowprot being edge of hitbox to edge of hitbox.

Johnlok · 09/25/06, 12:07 PM

Admittedly, that does seem like a valid guess, but would that really account for 4 yards?

Antiarc · 09/25/06, 12:11 PM

A four-yard hitbox is awfully big for a player model, though, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be measuring with hitboxes when you have player positions stored server-side. A hitbox-vs-cylinder/sphere test is going to be a lot more expensive than a point-to-point distance test.

I just checked the data on the spells, and PoH's radius is listed at 30y, and SP's range is listed at 30y, so there shouldn't be a discrepancy.

I would recommend testing other caster-centered AOE spells and targeted spells - paladin auras are a good starting point. They are also 30 yards.

There may be a "fudge factor", especially on targeted spells. I've noticed that on my priest sometimes, a spell will land if the target is only slightly out of range. It's possible that you were able to shadow prot at a range of 34 yards, but PoH doesn't fudge, since it isn't targeted and won't be interrupted due to a target running 1 yard too far out of range.

Lumi · 09/25/06, 12:12 PM

I just tested this, abolish disease vs. poh. I see no difference.

Edit: I understand different races have different ranges? I know tauren can res stuff much further away. I am a troll for reference

Johnlok · 09/25/06, 12:15 PM

Ya, but I think the "fudging" you're talking about is when you begin a spell in-range, and the target moves oor by the end of the spell. It's really easy to see this while solo farming, etc. But ya, that would also make sense if my benchmark (shadow protect) wasn't accurate to begin with.

Antiarc · 09/25/06, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Johnlok

Ya, but I think the "fudging" you're talking about is when you begin a spell in-range, and the target moves oor by the end of the spell. It's really easy to see this while solo farming, etc. But ya, that would also make sense if my benchmark (shadow protect) wasn't accurate to begin with.

I would tend to agree with you, and shadow prot being an instant would seem to preclude this.

You could test it easily enough by using a position mod to mark a position, have your target stand there, then use your position mod to run, say 29.9 yards away and try a) shadow prot, b) PoH, then move another 0.5 yards and test again.

TL-Seria · 09/25/06, 12:21 PM

do tauren also have a bigger agro radius then?

Johnlok · 09/25/06, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

Originally Posted by Johnlok

Ya, but I think the "fudging" you're talking about is when you begin a spell in-range, and the target moves oor by the end of the spell. It's really easy to see this while solo farming, etc. But ya, that would also make sense if my benchmark (shadow protect) wasn't accurate to begin with.

I would tend to agree with you, and shadow prot being an instant would seem to preclude this.

You could test it easily enough by using a position mod to mark a position, have your target stand there, then use your position mod to run, say 29.9 yards away and try a) shadow prot, b) PoH, then move another 0.5 yards and test again.

Ya, I'll have to try this when I get home today. If anybody comes up with anything substantial in the meantime however, please let me know.

Kody · 09/25/06, 12:30 PM

It would certainly make sense that PBAE spells are from the center of the caster while targeted AE spells have their radius begin at the outter edge of the hitbox.

FunBall · 09/25/06, 2:01 PM

Test it in Ironforge. The blocks on the floor are exactly 5 yards x 5 yards.