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Old 09/26/06, 12:23 PM   #1
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I have always thought that +34 Frost damage is better for your frost bolt than +34 generic spell damage. Like the frost bolt got a greater increase from the 34 frost than just 34 damage and healing. I dont know where i heard this, and would just like to confirm if true or not.

If it is true, at what point does generic = specific. Like does 100 Frost = 133 generic (1/3 more benifical)? Thank you

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Old 09/26/06, 12:25 PM   #2
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On a frost spell +34 frost is as good as +34 generic damage.

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Old 09/26/06, 12:29 PM   #3
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It is never 'better'.

The 'better' might stem from this: For two items of the same ilevel, you can get more +bonus for your budget if you pick the item with only one school of +damage. That is, if you had two same-level greens, and one was +30 damage/heal, the other will be like +40 frost.


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Old 09/26/06, 12:35 PM   #4
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I expect its more like a 5:6 ratio in the budget, because the items that tend to have +frost, +fire or +shadow tend to have ONLY that damage, and nothing decent like crit or hit and a minimal amount of stamina and intellect.

Personally, I /roflwaffle at Destruction Warlocks who only take +fire gear.

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Old 09/26/06, 1:24 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Oth
It is never 'better'.

The 'better' might stem from this: For two items of the same ilevel, you can get more +bonus for your budget if you pick the item with only one school of +damage. That is, if you had two same-level greens, and one was +30 damage/heal, the other will be like +40 frost.
The ratio is actually even lower than that, which is why +all tends to be the most commonly used gear for casters. For some reason, even though +school should provide more efficient itemization, it's rare that a +school piece is well-itemized enough to overcome the gap and be more worth wearing than other gear (Ringo's, Ring of the Eternal Flame).

It's near 34 to 40; look at the AV offhands.


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Old 09/26/06, 1:33 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Bibdy
Personally, I /roflwaffle at Destruction Warlocks who only take +fire gear.
Even post BC and the introduction of the 0/21/40 "ohmygawdthatsalottabonuses" spec?

Personally i'm looking forward to 'Sunfire' (+Fire/Arcane damage enchant) type stuff in BC, since I've never been a fan of frost. (That and the 'Soulfrost' Shadow/Frost enchant is just silly!)

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Old 09/26/06, 2:46 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Arawethion
Originally Posted by Oth
It is never 'better'.

The 'better' might stem from this: For two items of the same ilevel, you can get more +bonus for your budget if you pick the item with only one school of +damage. That is, if you had two same-level greens, and one was +30 damage/heal, the other will be like +40 frost.
The ratio is actually even lower than that, which is why +all tends to be the most commonly used gear for casters. For some reason, even though +school should provide more efficient itemization, it's rare that a +school piece is well-itemized enough to overcome the gap and be more worth wearing than other gear (Ringo's, Ring of the Eternal Flame).

It's near 34 to 40; look at the AV offhands.
Leggings of the Festering Swarm > all other pants for Fire Mages (until Leggings of Polarity).

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Old 09/26/06, 3:00 PM   #8
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I prefer Black Blizzard as a fire mage myself but hey, pick the pants you like.

+specific school would be a very powerful stats to put on items but it is generally overloaded and not paired with other useful things. +fire with a point of crit or +fire with +general would be very nice indeed but they are quite rare. Of course even as a fire mage I do spend a considerable amount of time using non-fire spells also on trash at least and I can't just discount that out of hand. Plus I hate to be even more gimped when I am facing a fire-immune/reflective target, even if the content is farm stuff.

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Old 09/26/06, 3:09 PM   #9
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I wish there were more items that min-maxed schools.

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Old 09/27/06, 7:14 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by snape
Originally Posted by Arawethion
Originally Posted by Oth
It is never 'better'.

The 'better' might stem from this: For two items of the same ilevel, you can get more +bonus for your budget if you pick the item with only one school of +damage. That is, if you had two same-level greens, and one was +30 damage/heal, the other will be like +40 frost.
The ratio is actually even lower than that, which is why +all tends to be the most commonly used gear for casters. For some reason, even though +school should provide more efficient itemization, it's rare that a +school piece is well-itemized enough to overcome the gap and be more worth wearing than other gear (Ringo's, Ring of the Eternal Flame).

It's near 34 to 40; look at the AV offhands.
Leggings of the Festering Swarm > all other pants for Fire Mages (until Leggings of Polarity).
Having both (I looted Festering Swarm while I wasn't sure), and having to pick one to ZG enchant a few weeks ago, I went with Black Blizzard.


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