That's pretty much just how it goes in my experience, at least in group pvp with cat form.

But to answer your question for stats, assuming you have heart of the wild you want around 1200 attack power in cat form, 800 attack power and at least 9k armor in bear form, and at least 6k health in bear form with mark. I also highly recommend having at least 4k mana in your mixed gear.

I wouldn't really expect spectacular results unless you're flagrunning though.


What I highly recommend is to get a stack or two of mage water, and above all else have itemrack installed. When I did pvp heavily, I would change between 4 gearsets when flagrunning and usually 3 when playing AB.

Yeah, those are decent enough guidelines but they're more what you should have by the time you finish that instance.

I'm currently at Twin Emps and, aside from a few odds and ends (pants, trinkets, a better belt, a new necklace, etc.), I think I'm doing pretty well on gear (my CTProfile should be up to date). General rules of thumb that I've seen for PvE utility for a Feral druid are as follows:

For Bears:
-You need 10k armor to be worth considering to tank something in BWL (probably nothing other than Vael, Broodlord, Spellbinders in Tech Packs, and Nef P1 mobs; maybe offtank a drake for wing buffets).
-6k Unbuffed bear HP is a nice number for mid & post BWL bears, 5.5k is doable early on in BWL though (I think; I don't recall exactly what gear I was running around with back then though). I'm at ~7550 with Mark/Fort/Kings right now in my, admittedly, light on Stam Tanking gear.
-Thick Hide is NOT required, believe it or not, nor is Feral Instinct. If you have anywhere near 700 AP in bear you will generate incredible amounts of hate. I have pulled aggro on Broodlord every time I've been in the tank group without any issues and have been able to keep it through a blastwave's de-aggro multiple times.
-650 AP is about where you want to start at when you hit Blackwing, 600 minimum; remember that your threat generation depends entirely damage, which depends on Str & Crit.
-Use pots and food! Smoked Desert Dumplings, Mongoose pots, Firewater, Elixirs of Giants, etc. Buffing Str & Dodge is what I've found to be most useful, although Stam food could be nice early on.
-Completely buffed (Mark/Fort/Kings/Mongoose/Giants/Firewater/StrFood) I'm hitting ~7550 HP with ~13750 armor, 16.25% Dodge, 847AP, and 26.5% crit. Mauls averaged 584.8 damage (~1330.4 threat) on tonights AQ40 run and Swipes averaged 93.7 (213.2 threat).
-Since I offtanked pretty much every boss, I've got some decent numbers that only include a little bit from random Ysondre trash afterwards (during which I was afk writing this, so I dropped a spot in total damage output):

Cat
-Now that cat has a passive threat reduction 'aura', it's actually moderately useful in a raid other than for theorycrafting about what it could do.
-Starting in MC, you should have 900 or more AP and can easily pass 30% crit buffed; upon hitting BWL, you need 1000AP and roughly the same crit.
-Upon exiting BWL, you should have ~1100, maybe a little less, unbuffed AP, we were talking about buffed earlier, and progress at double this rate in AQ40.
-Don't worry about picking up trinkets, necklaces, and rings; just about everyone else will get them before you, so go for some old, but awesome, combos (I still use ZG DPS rings, for example).
-The nice thing about cat is that you can mostly use the potions & food I used above for Bear!
-With Pots, Mark/Fort (didn't get a +Kings number) I hit 1392 AP & 32.5% Crit. With Kings, Might, Imp & AQ20 Battleshout I break 2k (finally).
-I cracked 2600 damage today with Ferocious Bite without might and with pre-AQ20, but still improved, BS (average Shred was 666.8, average FB was 1216; I don't have good rip data unfortunately).
-You want 4-5% +Hit; beyond that helps very little.
-Make friends with your rogues and Fury/MS warriors; your crit aura should be viewed as beneficial, not 'oh, great, another 3% crit'. It may be lackluster compared to, say, 3% hit, but it's ~free~ for them. Above all, don't be a loot whore; use common sense when bidding on gear and let rogues have the first few *insert awesome rogue trinket/ring/neck here* before bidding.
-I didn't get to DPS on a single boss tonight--we needed an additional offtank more than anything else; heck, I sat out most of Skeram ontop of the stairs with the casters because of some issues we have with caster/ranged aggro on teleports--but the 'Full Run' Damage Meters looked like this:

Healer
-It cannot be overemphasized how important it is that you be able to heal with the best of the druids in your guild, even with a feral spec.
-Some good numbers to shoot for are 7000mp with mark, more than 300 +Heal, and enough total mana regen to almost be able to sustain HT4 spam.
-Don't eat healer gear like crazy; get 3/8 SR and enough quality gear to make the previous requirements and sit on it until every other druid in your guild has better than 3/8 T2. I'm only starting to go after Stormrage again after more than 3 months, maybe more than 4.
-The one fight I healed in tonight was Huhuran and our SWS looked like this immediately afterwards: .

Talents
-If your guild will let you--you'll often need to convince people that it's beneficial and prove that you can heal well, even with your poor talent build--spec either 14/32/5 or 12/34/5 (pull points from Nat. Shapeshifter) and try and spread them between Bear & Cat talents, taking the PvE-applicable ones over purely PvP skills.
-Improved Shred is a must-have for cat in PvE and I actually prefer Feral Aggression over Thick Hide as a place to put floating talent points as it benefits both bear and cat.
-Omen of Clarity and Natural Weapons are a huge boost to damage and threat generation and any serious Feral Druid should have both.
-My current talent build is in my sig, along with what I intend to go to in BC.

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Hopefully this remained a constructive post and didn't degrade into 'feralol' territory (which I am guilty of in the past but trying to avoid); if it did, just lemme know and I'll restrain myself more next time.