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Old 09/28/06, 9:36 AM   #1
MIzpah
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Dwarf Hunter
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Based on the desire to get precise details quickly on progress nights I am trying to put together a ‘best practice’ guide on analysing raid performance and wipes. This will be initially for my use, and then for other officers in the guild. In the long run I would guess I will be using Omniscience, however as its not yet available I am trying to understand how to get as close as possible to the same information, and speed of analysys in game.

At present I use(or am aware that I can use):

1) I Ensure combat log range is extended
2) I Ensure that the combat log is on (default blizzard log)
3) I ensure that SW Stats (currently Beta2) is running properly
4) I ensure I am frapsing anything significant

Going into real detail is still something I am new to, so two questions:

1) How can I best use the combat log I can generate, what tools should I be using to filter\parse output from said log, and can these be run ‘in game’ as opposed to by tabbing out ?

2) Is there anything significant I am missing (add-ons perhaps?) that would change dramatically how I approach this task ?

As you can see I am not MT, but as raid leader I am trying to rely only on the information that I can capture. The intended purpose is analysing the whole raid group, individual performances, and refining strategy on the fly.

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Old 09/28/06, 10:17 AM   #2
Ashuko
Piston Honda
 
Murloc Druid
 
Windrunner
Use WoW Web Stats. http://www.lossendil.fr/serendipity/

It parses your combat log and creates very pretty HTML reports. Very handy, very nice. Not the best for parsing what happens in a fight but a great, HTML-format output that's very much like SW Stats in terms of the general reporting.

http://ctprofiles.net/69539

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Old 09/28/06, 10:20 AM   #3
sp00n
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Wrathbringer (EU)
WoW Web Stats

**edit
Bah, too late.

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Old 09/28/06, 10:21 AM   #4
Christmas
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Defias Brotherhood (EU)
Quick newbie question: how do I extend the range of the combat log?

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Old 09/28/06, 10:23 AM   #5
Ashuko
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Murloc Druid
 
Windrunner
Originally Posted by Christmas
Quick newbie question: how do I extend the range of the combat log?
If you use a mod called "AutoCL", it'll do it for you (max 100yards with the current version of AutoCL).

http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3077

It's very handy because it'll automatically start/stop a combat log when you enter a raid zone that you specify. Just don't forget to delete your combat log before you enter a zone if you don't want to simply pile on new data on top of stale info.

http://ctprofiles.net/69539

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Old 09/28/06, 10:47 AM   #6
MIzpah
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The Venture Co (EU)
@Ashuko\sp00n

Thanks for the link, I will take a detailed look, however at first glance it does not look as robust as swstats in terms of the information provided, I would love this functionality to output to web, but I need to be able to quickly see things in raid as well!

@ Christmas

From a previous poster on these boards, typing the following:
/console SET CombatLogRangeParty "150"
/console SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "150"
/console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "150"
/console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "150"
/console SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "150"
/console SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "150"
/console SET CombatLogRangeCreature "150"
Will set your combat log range to 150 yards.


Does anyone know of any good mods to deal with (or even replace) the default combat log in game ? I would love to see how much meaningfull information I could actualy gain without leaving my UI!

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Old 09/28/06, 10:52 AM   #7
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by MIzpah
Does anyone know of any good mods to deal with (or even replace) the default combat log in game ? I would love to see how much meaningfull information I could actualy gain without leaving my UI!
I use Hitsmode for my combat log. It is very similar to the default one, but uses colors so it is easier to understand the information in it.

There is yet another one by the same author as SCT (Greyhoof) that is also popular, but I can't recall the name of it. If you search wowinterface.com for that author it will show up.

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Old 09/28/06, 10:58 AM   #8
Goggles
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
There is yet another one by the same author as SCT (Greyhoof) that is also popular, but I can't recall the name of it. If you search wowinterface.com for that author it will show up.
Eavesdrop

Not actually a member of Refusion on Burning Blade.

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Old 09/28/06, 10:59 AM   #9
watzthere2lose
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Stormrage
Originally Posted by MIzpah
Does anyone know of any good mods to deal with (or even replace) the default combat log in game ? I would love to see how much meaningfull information I could actualy gain without leaving my UI!
Nurfed Combat Log

a) Color Coded User friendly View
b) Easy to Configure
c) Can re-direct combat information to different chat windows (2 default chat windows + upto 5 user created chat windows)
d) Can monitor a single target or a set of targets or Party or RAID or Self in a chat window

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Old 09/28/06, 11:20 AM   #10
sp00n
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Wrathbringer (EU)
Originally Posted by MIzpah
@Ashuko\sp00n

Thanks for the link, I will take a detailed look, however at first glance it does not look as robust as swstats in terms of the information provided, I would love this functionality to output to web, but I need to be able to quickly see things in raid as well!
I think it's more detailed than SwStats, but that may be due to that I haven't tried SwStats in months, maybe there are now some more detailed information for different abilities/spells.

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Old 09/28/06, 11:21 AM   #11
Papajan
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I'd love to know if anyone has seen a mod that shows a report of the cause of death for each raid member. Did they not get heals for a period of time? Was it random burst damage? Did they not move out of AoE or not wear resist gear? Did they pull aggro and get killed? Did slow debuff removal kill them? It would be awesome if there is a mod that could give a rough idea of which of a list of such causes killed each person. It would also be nice if there were a way to mark when a wipe has been called/implied, since subsequent deaths don't need analysis.

I know this is a topic that's come up several times since I've been around here, but this is the only thread I could find
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=7926

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Old 09/28/06, 12:31 PM   #12
chibihost
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Area 52
If you are into the bossmod-writing portion, Transcriptor is probably a good thing.
http://www.matts-hosting.com/addons/.../Transcriptor/
(requires ace2 i belive)

It gives you the combat log, but broken down by what ingame events they fire

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Old 09/29/06, 4:31 AM   #13
sp00n
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Wrathbringer (EU)
Is there some documention for Transcriptor?
Couldn't find it on curse/wowinterface/ui.worldofwar.
And Google showed only "use transcriptor!" sort of messages. :/

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Old 09/29/06, 5:06 AM   #14
Oaklin
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Does anyone know if extending the range of your combat logging from 40->100+ yards increases the bandwidth utilisation of WOW? (in other words, does it lag you more?)

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Old 09/29/06, 5:11 AM   #15
MIzpah
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Dwarf Hunter
 
The Venture Co (EU)
I can only provide non-empirical evidence, however from a personal perspective I see no difference in performance from increasing combat log range. If you try it and it does not suit you you can always reset it!

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