Pet tanking: "Rawr, you're not a pet! I'm looking for a pet!" ;)

If you have to use 2 hunters per shot, you need to get your hunters more +hit gear.

Since I've got 9% hit a good long while ago I've never missed a tranq. I've also never seen a failed tranq but I've heard its linked to two hunters getting off a tranq nearly at the same time. First one takes effect, second ones fails. I would guess if you see misses on specific mobs after getting to 9%, that particular mob has its defense score artificially boosted. Might wanna keep a dire maul +hit ring bagged (if you have at least 1 crit ring) for these situations.

As far as getting tranq shots off timely, as people have said, your hunters need to stand as close as they can while avoiding effects. The travel time makes a big difference. I also suggest Natur Enemy Cast Bars, it has a suprisingly accurate frenzy timer for encounters where its needed. Keep an eye on that bar, don't start an aimed shot that will not allow you to take your shot and spam your tranq button as it nears the end.

Huhu, I downgrade my NR until I have enough +Hit. Even then, I stand around 200+ Buffed as a primary soak. The more you do resistance fights, the less resistance you need, IMO, with more efficient (experience wise, not necessarily gear) healing/dps. Typically, we have 3 Hunters. The extra either spams after our Channel Message, so the most we would wait is 1-2 seconds, or when we scream maniacally on vent for him. The only fight I haven't done is Gluth so I can't comment there.

Flamegor, we've had the #3 Tranq misses, so you have to wait a splitsecond for a cooldown maybe and then the Tranq order just has to re-adjust itself.
Chromag, we always have a spare tranq if there's a prolonged stun or mispositioned timelapse.
Huhu, #3 always does a backup tranq after each msg.

Flamegor is one of the better fights to tell if a hunter isn't tranqing quickly based on the novas, then I just tell them to spam and it doesn't happen again.

No. I've had my tranq fail using STranq 2 and I was the only one with tranq cooling down.


BTW for the person saying STranq needed to be synced, that's just bizarre crazytalk. STranq 1 was completely unautomated and STranq2 has always used a hidden channel to communicate. You don't need to be near other hunters to get the info. You don't even have to be in the same zone.

A more subtle way to do it would be to give the boss abilities that don't affect pets. More specifically, abilities that don't affect Beasts, but are destructive to humanoids. Chain-knockbacks, disarms, there's a lot of options here, many of which would also make fights more friendly for druid tanking.

Patchwerk's Hateful Strike will not hit a pet, even if it is the only target in melee range. So it is theoretically possible for a pet to tank a mob like Patchwerk while the raid burns it down with ranged DPS. Obviously, if that were the only way to beat Patchwerk it wouldn't be a well-designed encounter, it's just something to think about.

Are you kidding?

Original Broodlord resisted 9/10 FD's and had a 100% aggro wipe; as a hunter you were doing like 20 dps because you couldn't ditch aggro and everyone near him was constantly losing it.

I always thought hunters had a good idea of the aggro ceiling on that fight since it was so aggro touchy, and just about all of our wipes were mage/warlock caused.

As far as hunters not understanding the aggro ceiling I don't agree with that at all.

Ok maybe my wording was wrong. I didn't mean "the week bwl was totally fucked up", but when you could kill him by something other than kiting him to vael's room.

When people were first doing bwl, the prevailng strategy for broodlord was to do slow dps. Fights would take 8-14 minutes, and casters (and even healers) would be overaggoring somewhere around the 7 minute mark. Becuase we did not understand the aggro ceiling, we thought there was an aggro problem and slowed dps on the casters. Hunters shined clearly there, beause they didn't have to slow dps for this strat, becuase of fd. In summary, if you kill broodlord in 11 minutes, your dmgmeters will look something where hunters did twice as much dmg as anyone else.

Now that we understand how broodlord aggro works, we simply burn the shit out of it, and it dies in 3mins 45seconds. This is not because of shield slam, or any other aggro mechanic change. It's because a mage can do 75k dmg in 4mins without overaggoring since we changed the tankstrat (the ceiling is directly affected by number of tanks you have tanking), whereas before you couldn't do 75k in 11mins.

Nothing mechanically changed, nothing was 'taken' from hunters, which was a previous posters contention. It's just simply as we (i mean the community, not hunters in particular) started to better understand how bwl fights work, and that in fact none of them were shaky-aggro mobs that we all initially thought they were. (Excepting the bugged conflag, when you could one-tank razor).

I'm not saying the hunters did or didn't understand the aggro ceiling in particular, I'm saying that no one at all understood it.

For tranqing on Huhu you can wear your normal gear with +9% hit for the first 60% then switch to your NR gear via FD. Just need to time it so you have at least two shots at FDing in case you resist one.

*facepalm*

Broodlord did not and does not resist feign death more than any other level 63 mob. That's just something you were imagining. Please don't say things like that. No boss mob resists feign death more than another boss mob, though fights with adds are harder to feign in(read: Gluth) because you have to make a resist check against all the nearby adds.

As for the other posts on Broodlord, while that may be true for an Alliance guild, for the Horde with no BoS or Tranquil Air, it was not possible for mages and warlocks to go all out on Broodlord at any point or they WOULD pull aggro. The aggro ceiling was an issue, but DPS had to be relatively slow still because there was so little -threat for us at the time. Keep in mind we are talking about Broodlord when his knock-away was a 100% deaggro, not today's Broodlord which merely has a 50% deaggro Knock Away. Hunters shined because they could drop all aggro in the blink of an eye--I remember our first Broodlord kill had something like 7/8 hunters(or was it 9? it was silly). After a couple of feigns, hunters could go all out and top DPS charts easily while a mage doing more than half the damage of the hunter would pull aggro three minutes into the fight. It wasn't exactly a fun mechanic, though it WAS beatable with a balanced group(we downed him with a fairly balanced group the next week, still full-aggro wipe knockback).

'Bloodlord' resists feign 9/10 if you stand in front of the gate leading to the rest of the zone. :)