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Old 10/06/06, 6:53 AM   #31
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I'm pretty certain it's not going to break action bar mods. What it seems to break is making keypresses perform actions without pressing an actual action button; in other words, a mod could create a valid set of action bars using the 120 buttons provided for this purpose by Blizzard, but won't be able to make a button press do different things dependant on who/what you're mousing over. That'd mostly break click-casting mods though, as well as the Necrosis style mods and possibly autobar mods, I'd suspect there's a work-around possible to make something like Decursive work again, but it'd require a lot of re-coding on the part of other mods.

As for the skill required in manually decursing. It's about as skillful a job as doing 'conveyor belt' work. Especially in some of the worst examples in MC.

I'm more worried about the thing mentioned by Gibybo. Though Target's Target and Raid frames should still work; I'm more wondering how it affects things like raid#target or targettargettarget.

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Old 10/06/06, 6:55 AM   #32
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Honestly, if FastCast will indeed stop working then this is literally a game-breaking change for a lot of us.

The disability of Decursive and other "Click" mods will affect the playstyles of many people - but nothing close to the effect the loss of FastCast will have.

I hope Blizzard considers this. I really fucking hope they do.

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Old 10/06/06, 7:09 AM   #33
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I'm rerolling rogue.
Then I can talk shit about playing with skill too.

I'll stab you ingame exog.


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Old 10/06/06, 7:09 AM   #34
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There's no reason to remove click-casting (like clique). I'd be hugely disappointed if they broke that functionality.

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Old 10/06/06, 7:48 AM   #35
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If blizzard breaks fastcast they have to allow spell queuing.

Without that i dont think ill bother playing.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:12 AM   #36
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I'm not sure on the specifics, but you could still use CTRA or similar to target a player and hit heal still, right? Or have an enemy selected, click heal, then, target the player. That's how healing works at least so I don't think it's the death of raid parties, but they're going to be much smaller anyway.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:15 AM   #37
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I'm holding out hope between this change and the introduction of Mass Dispel, Blizzard is affirming it wont be introducing new dispel clickfests in The Burning Crusade. I'm still quite leery though, considering there's no Mass Remove Curse nor Mass Abolish Poison.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:34 AM   #38
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To give you an example of what a healer feels like on a raid...

Get a priest friend, or watch a friend do the benediction quest. Hit the "V" key. Watch, click, heal/dispel the health bars. Scream as they overlap. Curse as you try to pinpoint the 3 or so npcs that need dispelled. That's about what it is.

Current mods don't pick your target and automatically heal them, it's basically just streamlined information. Allows you to know what's going on in your raid without having to sort through a mixed jumble everytime.

Ever the optimist, I'm hoping they change this. Emergency monitor is not a giant deal, decursive will suck but whatever. Some mods are just irreplacable and will make the game far less enjoyable, without implementing any skill value into it.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:36 AM   #39
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Do we know if this applies to macros along with ui mods?

One of my favorite enhancements to my WoW experience is a macro I wrote which backstabs and then turns combat on if it's off after the backstab (i.e., it turns on autoattack if the backstab fails due to position or lack of energy).

Not game breaking, but annoying if I won't be able to do it anymore.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:42 AM   #40
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Hoping they don't add a heavy decurse/dispell fight is a waste of time. They added them before, they will put them in again, regardless of decursive.

Personally, I think these changes add more annoyance/frustration to the already irritating life of a healer. I'd be happier if they just put all these elements into the default UI. Either that or take out autoattack. Better yet, have autoattack only work if the rogues/warriors/warlocks can successfully predict which of 40 boxes they need to click next. Kinda like Simon.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:44 AM   #41
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Not trying to be all elitist here, but I guess going with the minimalist approach to mods and addon's may turn out to be an advantage for me. Even with decursing I started doing it manually in AQ. Like previously stated, however, I would be disappointed by more 'chromaggus' style fights where mass decursing is the road to victory. That mechanic is rediculous, not to mention boring. My hope is that with the lowered raid size Blizzard is trying to take some of the more mundane aspects of the game out. Sitting in one spot and spamming the same button until you either A. Run out of mana, or, B. win, would be a huge disappointment.


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Old 10/06/06, 8:45 AM   #42
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One would hope they include a built-in alternative to fastcast...
Doing patchwerk for some healers is simply not possible given time constraints if they have poor pings.
The decursing crap is interesting and all... and I dont think decursing Noth will be neither fun nor skillful, just a pain in the ass.
Most of what they're removing here seems to be mods oriented around making menial tasks simpler - but I suppose its to remove all the automation you can encode. Versatility of mods was one of the best things about them imo... almost felt like certain encounters assumed you were using them.

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Old 10/06/06, 8:53 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Dromakis
Not trying to be all elitist here, but I guess going with the minimalist approach to mods and addon's may turn out to be an advantage for me. Even with decursing I started doing it manually in AQ. Like previously stated, however, I would be disappointed by more 'chromaggus' style fights where mass decursing is the road to victory. That mechanic is rediculous, not to mention boring. My hope is that with the lowered raid size Blizzard is trying to take some of the more mundane aspects of the game out. Sitting in one spot and spamming the same button until you either A. Run out of mana, or, B. win, would be a huge disappointment.
You have 40 healthbars up on your screen during raids and watch each one for any kind of debuffs which you automatically attempt to dispel?

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Old 10/06/06, 8:56 AM   #44
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I don't know the specifics but I'm kinda willing to bet they're not gonna break too many mods too badly. This thread so far seems to have more speculation and less facts than I personally prefer. ;) So, does anybody have more info? As in, what exactly is becoming impossible to do, are there any suggested workarounds?

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Old 10/06/06, 9:09 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by LadyVex
You have 40 healthbars up on your screen during raids and watch each one for any kind of debuffs which you automatically attempt to dispel?
I guess I'm not the norm, but this is what I do too. I used decursive for my first couple of Lucifron kills way way back, but then decided it was basically cheating and that I didn't need it anyway. The only raid mod I've ever used is CT raid, and that only to see everyone's health, debuffs and MT targets.

Having 40 health bars and their debuffs up the whole time doesn't make me responsible for the whole raid though, we still do assignments but this way if something goes wrong I can still see everyone's status. It allows me to do everything I need to do.

Basically, I've just never been convinced I actually needed any mods to help me heal. :)

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