Burning Crusade UI changes. - Page 7

borat · 10/06/06, 11:56 AM

these are absolutely retarded changes and I hope Blizzard changes their mind. Perhaps they think there are simply too many healers in WoW and all parties should consist solely of DPS classes?

Perhaps I have gotten spoiled but I won't play WoW anymore with the default UI, if they disable all the nice unitframes, raidframes, actionbars, etc mods then I for one won't be buying the expansion.

It just doesn't make sense to me, the last major change - where only one spell could be cast per "key down" - seemed to solve the chain-casting issues Blizzard had. Fine. Whats the point of disabling so much now?

and the china farmer bots don't use any of this, they use custom hooks into the wow executable that directly read/write memory values, for the most part they all run just stock blizzard UI so in fact these changes do nothing to them. gg.

Northerner · 10/06/06, 11:58 AM

As a Mage primarily I absolutely hate this change conceptually and I am pretty sure I'll really hate it in implementation. I presently have Decursive bound to my 'A' key (ESDF move/strafe for me, so it is a very accessible key) and even with that I dislike the role in the relatively few fights where I have to perform it. I perform it with some degree of pride though because frankly, it is an important role and once I get the curses down, I can get back to trying to produce damage which is what I see as my primary goal. All I can really see here is that in addition to having fun new aggro managment challenges in TBC, I will also have overall reduced damage (fastcast gone), an exciting new whack-a-mole decursing minigame and the breaking of many if not all of my custom macros. Like I need the additional aggrevation or something. Still, I can only assume that this is considerably more annoying for healing/cleansing classes.

Dropping this sort of change into the game just at a point where every healer/decurser actually has a reroll option sure does not seem to be well-planned to me but time will tell. I completely understand that Blizzard never has liked Whispercast, Decursive and the plethora of healing-assist mods out there. I have absolutely no faith at all that this will carry over into encounter-design though, which is what these mods are designed to assist with.

Malan · 10/06/06, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sancus

It's sad that the RDX loser didn't leak the full details of the changes and instead just leaked a tiny bit without explaining any of the new functionality based around these changes.

What a well informed statement this is. You should know that statements like that aren't exactly smiled upon here.

For what its worth, Veni gave as much info as he had access to. He's not the one testing this, he's being handed some info from someone else. Don't shoot the messenger.

hiro · 10/06/06, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Revenj

Would appreciate if someone could clarify the following:
1) "I can live without click to cast but now clicking on the people in my windows will do nothing since targetting is broken."
"Not being able to target is the real screwjob."
Wait. How exactly is targetting broken? Apparently, the functions TargetUnit() and TargetByName() dont work. But... we will always have /target

I don't believe /target functions from within mods easily.
As such, what they are breaking is the ability to target anyone by clicking on anything other than a "proper" unit bar. Furthermore the RDX info specified that all "proper" unit bars have the following properties:

1 - You cannot launch any spell by clicking them, so you must "click+press" as you say.
2 - They are LOCKED IN PLACE during combat, so that you must play whackamole to identify anyone who needs healing or cursing.

This is very dissappointing to me as a raiding pally used to delivering tiny heals to many targets who needed it, and cleansing easily while I focused on things like WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING IN THE 3D WORLD AROUND ME?

All DPS classes get to play WoW, all healers have to spend a lot of their game time playing a very annoying version of whackamole, and this alleged change seems designed to enforce that uniformly.

Probably this is to make us hate large groups, since it is much easier to scan and respond to needs in smaller groups.

Kaacee · 10/06/06, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

I'm pretty sure any good mage would take offense at the over simplificiation, that's like saying you can make a good healer by saying /target Yourtank; /cast heal, but I digress. The impact is much larger for healers than for DPS classes but there are mods that improve DPS classes in a similar fashion.

I'm not talking about good mages, just saying I can make a decent one by simply spamming assist and frostbolt. You just cannot create a decent healer by giving them simple instructions, there is just to much information. The idea of /target Yourtank (basically making them MT healers) seems attractive at first, but in reality most of the poor healers cannot adapt, for instance using higher ranks when other healers die. Decursive/EM helped mitigate that to some degree.

EM healing lessened the burden on healers occasionally. I could go into EM spam mode while drinking a soda, eating a sandwich, or talking to my wife. As a healer, during most four hour raids I pay more attention and sit in my chair more than I do all day at work, which is sad in several ways. As a dps class in EQ I could pretty much get up whenever and no one would ever notice.

Face reality, healing is the least desirable role to play, and I'd prefer they not make it any worse.

Sancus · 10/06/06, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Originally Posted by Sancus

It's sad that the RDX loser didn't leak the full details of the changes and instead just leaked a tiny bit without explaining any of the new functionality based around these changes.

What a well informed statement this is. You should know that statements like that aren't exactly smiled upon here.

For what its worth, Veni gave as much info as he had access to. He's not the one testing this, he's being handed some info from someone else. Don't shoot the messenger.

Considering that I do know the full details, yes, it's a very well informed statement. Also, thanks for pointing out how EVEN MORE IRRESPONSIBLE that idiot is. He "gave as much info as he had access to", info which he wasn't supposed to have access to, and given that, felt he had the right to disseminate it publically EVEN KNOWING that he had no idea what he was talking about and didn't have the information necessary to put any of it into context?

So of course, all he accomplished was starting threads like this, full of wild and fearful speculation based on a fraction of the relevant knowledge.

So yes, I will shoot the messenger, when he's being irresponsible and has no right to be a messenger in the first place. If you're going to be a messenger, you should at least try to do it halfway competently.

This is tantamount to screaming "Fire!! We're all doomed!!!!" without mentioning that the Fire Department is already onsite and has the blaze under control because the third party that told you there was a fire didn't bother to mention it.

You should know that statements like that aren't exactly smiled upon here.

So where's the post-deletion on the original incomplete, poorly informed statement, huh? Oh, but that's well-informed, right? *rofl*

Malan · 10/06/06, 12:49 PM

No, the original posts at least are generating discussion on the value and place (if any) of mods in a game such as WoW.

Your posts, however, are trolling.

♦ Praetorian · 10/06/06, 12:51 PM

This is what happens when I'm busy at work or traveling for business and such -- I don't get to scrutinize threads as closely. At a glance this looked like a reasonable thread, but in actuality it's just shitflinging about speculation on both sides.