So I know you've all got them - stories of those nights where NOTHING was going right, no matter what you did?
Here's a chance to tell those stories. What's your guild's all-time wipe night? 20+ pointless wipes on Razorgore 'cause for some reason the entire raid decided to noob it, every single time. Or for the Naxx guilds, Thaddius d/cs by nearly every crucial player...ever...all at once.
Etc.
Here's ours: 5 hours of wiping on Skeram with 26-29 people in the raid. Again, and again...surprisingly, everyone stayed pretty damn cheerful through it. We took him down 4 days later. :p
So bring out your worst wipe stories...let's see what the EJ community's got for pure horror/freak show wipes. Did they end in sorrow...or success?
Every single attempt at least 2-3 people would dc. Different people each time. We had maybe 1 or 2 attempts where we only had 1 dc and both attempts were sub 20% wipes.
Thankyou Blizzard for catering content to Australian subscribers.
We wiped from 3pm to midnight on 4 horsemen, but I thought it was one of our best days of raiding ever. Honestly I guess you ahve to define "Worst" Because in your example, that sounds like a great wipe night to me.
Generally the worst wipes are ones where you're about to kill something, something goes wrong at 5-10% and causes the whole thing to go bad (read: aggro by hunter on twin emps), and then you proceed to wipe on something that is normally trivial for you for over and over whereas it would've been dead had that 1 mistake prior not happened... ouch.
AQ40 can make for some bad nights.
In naxx, we wipe more on the trivial stuff like razuvious and grobbulus by not focusing than on the hard stuff like Gothik and Thaddius which we almost always 1 shot. Pretty amazing difference of focus I guess. Thats always frustrating...
Back when we started on Firemaw we had a couple of hours of silly wipes. For some reasaon the MT was pulling with a gun and would tend to miss. So we'd get into position, announce the pull and some priest would shield, Firemaw would come in and shadowflame the raid. OK, SS, res, get into position, announce "NO CLICKING ANYTHING", pull and a mage pops Ice Barrier, bringing Firemaw in and nuking the raid. Next it was DPS warrior popping Bloodrage early. This continued several more times, we finally got a hunter in to assist with the pull and get a good pull. MT health drops dangerously low, a druid panics and hits the NS+HT emergency button for some gigantic heal. Firemaw comes in and shadowflames the raid.
No one got out of sorts though and we finally had everything go smooth with the pull. I think there was one wipe while the tanks figured out the taunt rotation and then Firemaw was dead. IIRC we went on that week to one shot the next two drakes and take Chromaggus down on the fifth attempt.
The worst wipe nights are the nights half the raid is incapable of doing farm content. Lack of focus, tempers flare, comments are made and it all goes to hell, screwing up the progression schedule to 'finish' bosses that shouldn't need finishing.
Four hours of wiping on Thaddius, after one shotting him 3 weeks in a row.
The fight is pretty dumb, but lately we've just learned to heal/pot/tuber through the disconnects (I think last kill had 3 disconnects).
The worst wiping I've had was the raid after the first Ragnaros kill, we wiped and wiped and wiped and just couldn't get him - the general attitude was very contrasted with the elation from the first kill, which probably amplified how bad it seemed :P
It was smooth sailing from then on, but before that there was our first raid after a sizable number left our alliance and we couldn't get Magmadar, back then I thought the raid done for and I'd never get into the end game.
nef has been on farm for a month, and we are up to huhu in aq40. mow through a quick MC clear (14 Nexus shards before rag) and things are obviously going mostly smooth. MT is doing his thing... then a rogue pulls agro. people laugh.
Next a dps warrior pulls agro. leader on vent starts telling melee dps to cool it. Then another... and another... and another. All our melee dps pulls agro 1 at a time and gets smushed. At this point MT healers (myself) start to notice that the MT is... in an odd position. he is literally inside the graphic of rag, and starting to get ticks from standing in the lava.
Turns out our MT had DC'd but the "Dalkjd has gone offline" message was massively delayed. He was building no threat accept for the first maybe 15 seconds of the fight. It wasnt a bad night of wipes, but people had gotten real mad (raid mad at melee dps, melee dps mad cause they were getting yelled at for doing, as i turned out, nothing wrong). I thought it was funny. the MT logged back in about 10 seconds after we wiped with a pretty hilarious "umm... we get em?"
I'm honestly so surprised that nobody has mentioned C'thun wipes yet. They were easily the most dismal for us in recent memory, from various stupid things. Sunday raids for us are 6 hours long, and on more than one occasion we spent all 6 hours wiping :(
Most frustrating night in recent memory was Naxx a few weeks ago - we had already killed 4HM so we were eager to move on to Sapph and Kel - after our first night we had Maexxna, Gothik and 4HM to go, so we thought "this'll be a quick dash to the finish" ... oh how wrong we were.
Maexxna: around 7 or 8 times in a row she just completely obliterated our tank ... tank at 90-100% with all HOTs, and then she does her windfury crushings and poison shocks like there's no tomorrow... people get discouraged by this and wall control starts sucking... we got her eventually though.
Then we moved on to Gothik the Wipefester... I think we wiped for 3 hours straight... Caster side didn't fuck up once, but we simply did too well - melee were being creamed... by the time we adjusted this, melee had already desperately changed their tactic to the point where they'd wipe no matter HOW we did on caster side. Most awful encounter if things start going wrong - losing faith in your tactic means wiping for hours :( We got him eventually and got our weekly stealth boots - yay!
The BEST wipenights we've had have to be on 4HM - there's just something about that encounter which makes it so fun to learn, no matter how completely you fail over and over. While Kel'thuzad is certainly a barrel of monkeys, he just hurts due to the speed at which you deplete your stockpile of frots prots.
Couple of weeks ago we downed the Twin Emps for the first time. Now, I've had an Imperial Qiraji Regalia in my bags for a looong time (hell, we've only actually had one drop, and about 6 Armaments), so I'm pretty eager to get to the quest givers.
Anyhow, when we killed them first time, it was a Tuesday evening, so, being on an EU server the reset was due in a couple of hours. I'd heard bad things about the C'Thun trash, but figured we might manage to get there. Oh how wrong I was. After 3? I think pulls, we gave up and went to kill the Bug Trio, everyone was tired etc.
So, next week, we get to them on our Sunday Farm of AQ40, first attempt goes smooth, couple of mistakes, so we pot up and go again. Just under two hours later we're still wiping, it seems no one is focusing at all. Tanks are aggroing little bugs all over the place, Vek'lor keeps running at one of the Warlocks and people are getting stressed. Then, on our last attempt before the flasks run out we finally seem to have it again, and we get them down to ~10%. Then something happens. I think it involved a knock back on the Vek'lor tank before I had aggro, healer LoS and an exploding bug. Anyhow, end of the flasks, everyones tired and annoyed so we call it a night. I'm a bit miffed (still wanting my staff), but figure we'll just come in on Tuesday and one hit them after a night of practice runs. And we almost do; first attempt on Tuesday we get them to ~6%, and then all hell all broke lose. From what I could see it went something like this:
5 seconds before a port, a mage pulls aggro on Vek'lor
Vek'lor moves towards this mage, the Vek'nilash tank moves with him to get prox aggro on the upcoming port.
The Vek'nilash tank gets a little too close, and gets AEd and knocked way back.
Port occurs, and a healer gets prox aggro.
The healer does the "smart" thing and runs away. Towards Vek'lor.
They heal up, and a part of me dies inside.
An hour later and 3-4 other wipes and they were finally dead, giving a couple of hours to make some headway on the trash. Slow start, since we're still learning it, but we start to get the hang of the Champion packs. We get to the first few Anubisath packs at about 11:55 pm game time, and someone mentions in /g that they've heard a rumour that the server is coming down for extended maintenance tonight. I go check the Realm Status forum and indeed it is. For 36 hours. However, the real kicker was the time it was going down: 12:01 am. No staff for me then :angry:.
Here's hoping tomorrow is nice and smooth....
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The worst thing i can come up with is the 3 (or more) times a hunter has pulled Faerlina on us with his pet. Not intended ofc, so most of the time its just 40 GNPP and 40 GFPP down the drain :)
The worst of our worst wipe nights were all due to lag unfortunately, we had alot of members quit the guild because of unstable servers, and unplayable content. =/
Holding out until those issues were fixed and everything is nice now.
But I do have many horrible memories of wiping to Faerlina over and over and over again because heals took 5 seconds to get there, or MC took 10 seconds to take effect, in addition to RoF being screwy, lag made it 10x worse.
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The nights where you are working on a boss you've not killed are great in my opinion. When we were working on Thaddius, we ended our last night before the reset with an agonising 1% wipe that I was able to exclusively attribute to the one single time I have fucked up, and it happened to be at 5%. Even though I personally was gutted, the mood and the attitude of the raid was a joy to behold. I think most raid leaders can agree that there's nothing more enjoyable than leading 39 people who *know* they can get that first kill, and will burn every single buff and do everything they can get in order to do so. Even though we didn't pull it off that night, everyone knew then and there that we could do it. We ended up killing him two nights later without a hitch.
The worst wipe nights, in my opinion, are when expectations get the better of you. When you've gotten that first kill, and perhaps another kill or two since, and people have psychologically thrown that boss into the "farm status" box. And then you wipe the first time. You put it down to rustiness, or whatever. It happens again. And again. For hours. The biggest challenge I think is to keep the raid's morale from nosediving at this point, because people don't perform well when they feel the rest of the raid is sucking. When you finish the night not having killed the boss, and spent several hours wiping on an encounter that on previous weeks you've oneshotted, that can be a motherfucker for morale.
Heigan, the guild has too many geeks who cant dance, didnt make the attempts enjoyable, and when you factor in people disconnecting during the gauntlet about 33% of the time where we had good starts... leading to zergs of mobs owning us before/during the first dance, and others reconnecting mid-fight and giving us waves of mobs on attempts that somehow managed to progress further.
I'm happy to spend hours upon hours wiping on new bosses. I even enjoy it, to an extent, as long as we're still learning it, and actually making at least some progress on most attempts. Spending over an hour trying to deal with a single trash pull, on the other hand, just makes me want to kill people.
We wiped to Nef last night, and then had 15 people die on the next attempt when we killed him. The night before that, we one-shotted gothik, the 4 horsemen, and sapphiron.
heh.. a while ago we were just coming back from our 2.5month summer break (Casual guild), and were getting back on pace (we were starting to progress in bwl again) and were at either firemaw or chromaggus at the time. Either way we did MC and then spent 7 wipes on Majordomo due to complete sillyness.. :( Havn't happened since (thank god). Everyone were so ashamed it was painfull to listen to.
10/07/06, 12:58 AM
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