Nerfed? No, no. I mean on average.

Currently gives 59 mana per proc with a 50% proc rate. i.e. on average it's 29.5 mana/attack.

The new rank is 74 mana per proc. i.e. 37 mana/attack. Difference of 7.5 mana/attack.

Oh, I misinterpreted you.

Thought that you meant that using new rank of JoW vs no JoW at all added 18 mp/5

:)

After a bit of consideration, I think a shadowpriest actually shares the 'group mana battery' role with resto-shamans now that manatide has been buffed. It wouldn't be hard to construct 2 caster groups in the xpac, and throw one in each, or on a really healer intensive fight, both in the same group.

Max Mana Regen Theorycraft.
Assuming a healer group of Resto-Shaman, ShadowPriest and any 3 primary healers. Assume for the sake of simplicity that the primary healers have 10k mana raid buffed and the Shadowpriest does 700dps.

- Imp Blessing of Wisdom (there's going to be a pally somewhere in the raid)
Talented rank 7 = 49mana/5 = 588 mana/min

- Vampiric Touch @ 700 dps
35mana/sec = 2100mana/min

- Imp Mana Spring Totem
Talented rank 5 = 15mana/2sec = 450/min

- Manatide (The practice of dropping it early probably shortens the effective use on a fight to more like a 4 min recharge. But I'll go with the stated amount for simplicity)
24% every 5 mins. Our casters have 10k mana, so 2400 mana/5 min or 480 mana/min.

Grand Total = 3618 mana/min.

VT is clearly very strong, that said, its not a passive buff like all the others. If anything stops the priest from being able to deal damage, then its usefulness drops to zero. A resto shaman does almost 50% of that regen just by dropping water totems and doing nothing else.

I'm closing this thread. If you wish to create a new one you can do so, but please do so with more math, and less name calling and less arguments of "who will heal when everyone's shadow??????"

LadyVex, Priests in World of Warcraft are not Clerics in Everquest. Get over it.

Holyman, Shadow priests are not Jews. Your raid leader is not Hitler.

I want to see a lot less bad posts from the both of you in the future or I'm bringing the hammer down.