I recently aquired a Foror's Compendium of Dragonslaying for 300g. I was planning on using the compendium to get Quel'Serrar, but with the recent weapon drops in Naxx (Very Much not accessible to me at the moment), and the thought of much easier to obtain weapons that are even a larger step up from Widow's Embrace (Or anything else I could possibly attain), I was wondering if anyoen had heard news about possible scaling for items such as Quel'Serrar. As it stands now, I have a deal set up to sell the Compendium in 3 days for a total for 1200g.

My question really isn't about whether or not I should make the deal, so much as I was pondering if Blizzard had any plans to scale traditional items, possibly making keeping the Compendium worthwile. I first heard rumors of upgrades to TUF from these forums, and you always seem on the cutting edge of new information, so I thought I would just pick your minds for a bit.

Thanks for your time.

Pre-BC items will not be scaling aside from the crit/hit/speed rating changes. However, I've heard rumors of a Quel upgrade quest in BC. Perhaps someone could shed some light on whether that's true or just bunk.

The current TuF itself isn't being upgraded; they're adding a level 70 version which will need to be earned again.

Many of the itemisation changes so far have been in the interest of forcing us to get upgrades from Outlands, so I doubt Quel'Serrar will be upgraded for free. A Prismatic Quel'Serrar quest of some kind is possible though.

Would sell it and buy another, even without BC coming, but that's just me ^^
You can consider everything you get now will probably be trash at lvl 70, unless it's naxx drops, and even then it'll be trash a few months after the release when they make a new dungeon (with tier 5 or 6 or whatever it'll be). That's how mmorpgs work, you'll always find better(well besides those awesome tabards you can get from random stupid stuff like the AD one ^^).

A few months?

If Naxx stuff isn't garbage within 3 weeks of release, something is wrong.

From what I've seen so far, BC items aren't that impressive. With a mix of AQ and Naxx gear, I can get more damage than the PvP stuff. The only reason to change to BC gear is the ridiculous amounts of Stamina, and new stats like resillience. I'll actually be doing less (technically probably still a bit more due to spell upgrades and new talents) damage in BC.

No you just have to buy a new one, Kind of like how the WSG rewards work now, there are about 5 different versions of the rings depending on level.

Nope, blues have said the current BG rewards will be rolled into the new honour system, which will start from scratch, and has no decay.

But I don't think anyone has seen an instance epic or a BoE world epic yet. That's the gear that will matter.

Have a link? I find it hard to believe that they are doing away with battleground rep grinds.

I don't bookmark this stuff. ;p

To be honest, think about it logically. I'm exalted with all 3 BGs. Do you see Blizzard giving me an epic dagger, ring, legs, cloak, shoulders and bracers on arrival at 70, along with the other hundreds of people on my server exalted with all 3 BGs?

Not to mention the excellent blues, and the epics my particular class can't use, and stuff I'm probably forgetting. Adding another level of reputation just makes it twice as hard for people starting the grinds from scratch.

There's a blue post from not long ago on general about it. Anyway how it will work is, you'll still need the rep to buy the "ranks" of rewards(friendly for food, honored for belt, revered for boots and exalted for cloak/shoulders/the 2weaps for AB for example), but you won't buy them with money, you'll have to pay them with tokens(much like the current mark of honors you get). So being exalted probably doesn't mean much, since you'll need many tokens to buy stuff. You might be able to buy them faster than a new person since you can skip the rep grinding part, but it'll still take a few games to buy your upgraded 70gear.

compare it to the current marshall set... with the gem slots used up. not to pve gear.

That's basically what I'm thinking. I also read before how Blizz had stated they were disapointed with the Epic Quests, and had no plans to implement any new ones for seperate classes. Anyway guys, I know I don't post often, but I do troll nearly every day, and I value your input greatly. I'm gonna sell it and if need be possibly pick up another one for 300g. ^_^

With the gem slots used for damage stuff, I seriously doubt the Arena set would be beat dps-wise by Naxx gear.

Without the gems I would agree with you, but those gems are quite powerful (and take a lot of mats/points to get for good reason).



I seriously doubt Quel, Benny, and Rhok will get upgrades in TBC.

The BG grind is now a token grind, not a rep grind. You buy the BG rewards with the appropriate BG tokens. That seems to be the constant in "new style pvp": you get generic honor points from every PvP action, and then specific PvP tokens (from arena, from BG, from outdoor pvp targets in outlands).

I assume the intend is to allow one to earn one specific BG reward faster than the rep grind, but you have to repeat the grind for each additional item you're looking for. Good for the one who have a single useful reward, bad for the guys who want Fire and Frost books, and the ring, and the epic mount, and the...

But the change for Rhok only comes because of the large changes they did for hunter combat mechanics. Basically all ranged weapons seem to get a rough 20% DPS increase to make, as Blizzards so nicely put it ranged weapon upgrades more usefull and meaningful for hunters.

Right now i don't even consider bidding on any other ranged weapon except the BWL Xbow and (should we reach and kill Kel before TBC hits) Nerubian Slavemaker as nothing else would be a real upgrade for me (except the Ouro gun, but i don't do any PvP at all, so i wouldn't have a proper ammo pouch).

Read ya, Phil

so you wouldnt think picking up a soulstring is worthwhile? Or a Toxin Injector, with the new hunter changes, surely the speed is less of an issue now?

Well, yes and no. :)

The thing is, up until TBC really comes out, weapons like Soulstring, Huhu's Stinger or Toxin Injector aren't real upgrades and when TBC hits, even mid 60 level blue crossbows have already way better stats than e.g. the modified BWL xbow.

So you'd basically run around still using either Rhok, BWL xbow, Ouro gun until TBC hits and then after maybe using those above mentioned weapons for 2-3 weeks until you hit 65 or higher when all ranged weapons will be replaced by some blueish weapon.

For me thats not really worth it imo and i won't waste any DKP for them, so i'm certainly skipping the fast weapons for now.

When TBC is there a lot of the hunter math and shot rotations have to be revisited in depth (hopefully by Lactose) to see how well faster weapons now will really perform with the final changes. From the first info we got faster weapons should now be more usefull, but we'll see. Multishot e.g. hasn't been changed afaik, so for that ability weaponspeed still is very important for the base damage (3s speed weapon with 80 DPS: 240 base damage per shot, 1.5s weapon with 80 DPS: 120 base damage per shot).

Read ya, Phil