These two things are generally connected. Unless a raid can be filled with enough members at appropriate gear levels, progress will be slow or even impossible.

Only you can answer the question of whether staying in your current guild is the right thing to do. If you do not feel happy, I am doubtful that you are able to put forth maximum effort in a raid. That said, the only way to bring forth change and improvement is to communicate. Having to come to a forum to find out your feelings, is less than condusive to the implementing changes.

Each guild requires slightly different elements to be successul depending on the membership. Rules and procedures set forth are not there for the personal amusement of the leadership but are based on previous experience and what worked in the past. If you have concerns, bringing those concerns to the attention of leadership would seem to be the logical thing to do. Taking such initiative will not only start change to address your concerns, but likely also concerns of others, resulting in a better guild.

Guild turnover is something to be expected, people have personal lives and many realize that investing 40-50 hours or more into a computer game may not be the ideal thing for them. Losing members to RL or guilds with less hardcore policies is normal. What defines a guild is its core membership, the people that stick around through thick and thin and work on improving the guild and themselves, which is only accomplished through open communication.

Ultimately, this is a computer game, which people should be playing to have fun in their free time. If something about playing the game is not fun, I, and I suspect everyone else, should do what they need to make it fun again. What that is, only each individual can answer.

Nevaria - GM of Reborn (Aerie Peak)

Tel - if there's no hope at all and you honestly feel they're going to break your guild, then it's probably time for some drastic action. Make sure that A: It's not personal animosity, and B: it's not avoidable. Then, make sure everyone you want to keep is on your side, and do what Creediki said, set 'em up, take 'em out. I do tend to agree though, they sound like tools, your best option is probably to foment a little insurrection.

Stick it out. The expansion will bring lots of changes, particularly in terms of guild structure. Beyond that, I can't help but comment on the fact that you've been raiding for two months. I stuck with my guild through two reforms and 9-10 months of raiding, despite seeing the signs of collapse nearly 6 months before I left. In fact, they're still chugging along in Naxx (slowly, but hey).

It just seems to me like you're being a bit rash, given that you've been raiding for two months and you've already gotten Nef down. Yes, you'll go through some tough times where you lose "fairweather raiders", because the content after Nef is actually somewhat difficult. But you obviously have a fairly strong guild to have progressed as far as you have in the first place.

The one question you should ask yourself is this: Will you have more fun steamrolling content with a further-progressed guild, or learning and beating new encounters for the first time with your current guild? It's up to you.

You don't have to explain yourself to us. Your guild/realm politics do not belong on these boards.

Sorry.

If you're in negative DKP, I'd say that the answer is pretty much no, you owe it to your guild to zero it out.

If you're in positive DKP, it's a whole 'nother ballgame, but one in which there's no one right answer.


EDIT: Why is it that the signatures never show up if I just use quickpost? I feel the need to proclaim that eimi theos! :O

To be honest, if really the reason you wish to leave is progress and your guild has gone from zg to huhu in such a short time, I can't really justify it. Your guild's progress seems rather fast to me really.

If you want to have a tour of naxx, that's another story and I understand wishing to face naxx encounters before the expansion. The choice you have to make is if you really want to see naxx before the expansion or if you can live without doing so. But from what you say it doesn't seem like your guild is dying and its expansion progress shouldn't be bad either, so it's only a matter of experiencing content you won't get the chance to see otherwise.

But don't take this lightly, changing guilds isn't as easy as you may think. Being established in one guild gives you privileges that no trialist has. And getting used to new people, new tactics, new habits, it's a really big step.

He's trying to provide some background so other people can help make the decision.. however being in any of the guilds involved, he's not the person that should be providing background.

I respect you as a fellow guild mate, Molp. I hope that you stick with us. =)

In my case when:

a) My old guild didn't show much commitment to raid nor progressing. I also wanted to learn new fights, by experiencing new content (i.e. I had read that MC and BWL are static, whereas AQ and Naxx are not, etc). I always wanted to make progress personally, to improve, etc I.e. in sports I used to prefer to be first off the bench in a major league, rather then a star in the minors. Now I am an OT, rather then an MT, but how else am I supposed to aim higher?

b) When politics and hunger for power were more important then the team.

c) When many of the original members left and some of the new ones (and new officers) were nastier people and not having similar values. I kept the friends, left the guild (especially after seeking advise here and seeing how things were getting worse in terms of points a and b).