Race, reroll and recruitment

Melissande · 10/20/06, 2:18 PM

This was a question about the influence of racials when considering recruiting and/or rerolling.

Currently some races are clearly better for certain roles like :

Tauren warrior for horde tanking
Human for a sword/mace rogue (though more items with +skill may reduce the role of this racial)

However it seems me that the expansion will bring at least 2 "definitely better" races for raid PVE
- Draenei (hello +1% to hit for everyone in the melee group) for melee DPs
- human priest. 10% spirit definitely sound like a slap to elvish faces. Should I be a alliance dwarf or elf priest, this bonus(if maintained on live server and stacking with BoK) could force me to reroll. 300 mana every minute (assuming 440 spirit instead of 400) seems me to good to pass for a minmaxer.

Any argumented opinions about this ?

jubelio · 10/20/06, 2:21 PM

fear ward

probiscus · 10/20/06, 2:22 PM

Might want to edit your "elves" comment.

Also, what was the point of your post?

Antiarc · 10/20/06, 2:23 PM

Draenei priests. Fear Ward + Party Mana Restore + another HoT + 1% spell/melee hit to party members is crazy. From a pure "What gets the fights done" perspective, I think this is the winner.

Human Spirit is definitely quite nice, but I don't see it outclassing the Draenei benefits. In general, I suspect that the Draenei mana restore will serve you better than the Human Spirit for the purposes of mana regen - you can pop it when you need it. Human Spirit will give you more mana overall, but having a "recharge now plz" button when you need it is huge. Diplomacy makes rep grinds so much less painful, though, and should be seriously considered if you're going to be a BC raider. Perception is phenominal in PVP, and given the emphasis on the Arena in BC, can't be ignored if you plan to do that.

There's very little reason to roll a Nelf priest.

Fira · 10/20/06, 2:23 PM

fear ward is probably overall better, but who wants to look like a dwarf? :( And ya i agree draenai would be best

Trouble · 10/20/06, 2:23 PM

Aside from the fact that rerolling is a very time intensive thing to do, especially when you're basically going to be fighting for raid slots in your guild. Being one of the first people to 70 bodes well for "making the cut".

Antiarc · 10/20/06, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Fira

fear ward is probably overall better, but who wants to look like a dwarf? :(

Draenei are getting Fear Ward.

Melissande · 10/20/06, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

There's very little reason to roll a Nelf priest.

I have no problem with Nelf being a slightly lesser choice when choosing to roll a priest. My concern is rother about "will Nelf priests be forced to reroll human or Dranei to stay competitive.

Fira · 10/20/06, 2:29 PM

Originally Posted by Melissande

Originally Posted by Antiarc

There's very little reason to roll a Nelf priest.

I have no problem with Nelf being a slightly lesser choice when choosing to roll a priest. My concern is rother about "will Nelf priests be forced to reroll human or Dranei to stay competitive.

I dont see any reason why they would. If you got along without them so far why would you reroll now?

Antiarc · 10/20/06, 2:31 PM

Originally Posted by Melissande

Originally Posted by Antiarc

There's very little reason to roll a Nelf priest.

I have no problem with Nelf being a slightly lesser choice when choosing to roll a priest. My concern is rother about "will Nelf priests be forced to reroll human or Dranei to stay competitive.

I don't think so, really. You need 2 Fear Ward priests per raid, max, and that's for ultra-super-EZmode. They've said they're moving away from the fear mechanic, so its usefulness will be diminished in BC, I suspect. Between BoW, JoW, mana totems, and Innervate, I don't see Human Spirit being a make-or-break point for priests, Imp DS aside.

Diplomacy is a personal issue, so the raid won't care.

The Draenei bonuses don't stack, so you only need one Draenei per party for the aura, so that's not a dealbreaker.

Overall, I'd say don't worry about rerolling if you don't want to. Really, what will keep you competitive or not is whether you're a good player or not. A good player with underpowered racials is a billion times better than a poor or mediocre player with the best race/class combo.

Apate · 10/20/06, 2:32 PM

Don't forget that starshards got what I'd call a massive buff. See here

• frmorrison · 10/20/06, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by Apate

Don't forget that starshards got what I'd call a massive buff. See here

It isn't massive, but it is something that makes being a NE priest not so bad.

The thread title has recruitement in it, why is that?

Anyway, sure human/draeni priests have great bonuses, but a skilled player trumps those bonuses.

Taikero · 10/20/06, 2:55 PM

Night Elf Priests own in PvP. Shadowmeld is overpowered.

That's all I have to say, take it or leave it, believe it or not.

heel · 10/20/06, 3:01 PM

For end-game raiding, Draenei basically blow everyone else out of the water. The disparity is large enough that I have considered rerolling my Dwarf into a Draenei. It's not like there are different things that one race does better than another - no, Draenei are just strictly better in every way. Frustrating. For raiding, Humans are a distant second, and Dwarves are a close third behind that. Night Elves are basically an embarassment in any situation. I don't quite understand why the developers aren't taking TBC as an opportunity to fix the (horribly conceived, horribly implemented) Priest racials. It wouldn't be that difficult - maybe three changes have to be made. Remove Elune's Grace from Night Elves and give them Hex of Weakness instead. Remove Touch of Weakness from Blood Elves and give them Fear Ward instead. Remove Fear Ward from Draenei and give them Starshards instead. Now, some races would still be better than others in certain situations - can't ever fix that - but every race would bring something uniquely useful to the table. None of this "lol your race/class combination has been obsoleted, time to reroll" business. This topic has already been discussed at length, so I guess I will just leave it at that.

Geo · 10/20/06, 6:24 PM

If you have seen the way draneis run.........dwarf is probably people better bet

Dranei running animation is quite sad.....makes you feel like you are playing forest gump