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Old 10/20/06, 4:28 PM   #1
grimjack
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Hyjal
I did a quick search for atiesh and didn't see a subject so I thougth I would ask.


How is your guild managing Atiesh distrobution? Any special rules? Giving out splinters to whoever spends DKP?

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Old 10/20/06, 4:30 PM   #2
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by grimjack
Giving out splinters to whoever spends DKP?
No.

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Old 10/20/06, 4:33 PM   #3
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Officer vote. I won! :toot:

To be more detailed, some discussion took place, it was decided that points are silly to use on legendaries and these are handled by officers voting instead, and that's about it. It's really not a normal piece of loot, though Atiesh is comparatively speaking not as 'rare' as the other Legendaries, it's still not close to being normal. Points were mostly decided as being silly because of this simple fact: "Who would you rather see it go to? That guy that's been hoarding points for a long time, or that guy who's been spending his points on doing his job best.", hence officer vote.

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Old 10/20/06, 4:35 PM   #4
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Loot Council Weighted on Lifetime earned DKP and attendance. He only missed one shard before he got 40.

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Old 10/20/06, 4:35 PM   #5
diospadre
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Whenever a splinter drops its randomed for.

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Old 10/20/06, 4:45 PM   #6
KraJee
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Destromath
We looked at which staffs we thought were the most beneficial to the raid, and then made a list of who gets their splinters in what order. It was based totally on past commitment, attendance, and performance.

Giving them all to one person (at any given time) is really the only efficient way I can think of to distribute them.

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Old 10/20/06, 4:48 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by diospadre
Whenever a splinter drops its randomed for.
Better yet--whoever loots it first. Speed before need.

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Old 10/20/06, 4:51 PM   #8
Fres
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Mal'Ganis
When it eventually dropped, we put all the people that were deemed eligible for Atiesh given lifetime attendance, performance, etc in a chat channel. Each person voted for 2 people within the group and were not allowed to vote for themselves. The person who received the most votes was awarded our first splinter. It ended up being a mage but we did not restrict any class from getting it.

Since then, 2 Atiesh-eligible members have quit and another went inactive. Neither of the quitters cited the Atiesh as a primary reason but the timing was fairly conspicuous. These had been 85%+ lifetime-raiders in the guild for over a year.

Orange text does funny things to a person I guess.


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Old 10/20/06, 4:57 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Arawethion
Originally Posted by diospadre
Whenever a splinter drops its randomed for.
Better yet--whoever loots it first. Speed before need.
A second option we'd considered was playing Texas Hold'em for it. For some reason people preferred the officer vote option.

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Old 10/20/06, 6:01 PM   #10
Dakous
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Drenden
Originally Posted by Arawethion
Originally Posted by diospadre
Whenever a splinter drops its randomed for.
Better yet--whoever loots it first. Speed before need.
[Would be] First case of a completed Atiesh in the hands of a rogue. (yes, I know)

At the least, it'd be a fun counterpoint to the warlock with a TF. (well, one binding)

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Old 10/20/06, 6:04 PM   #11
Quasar
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We /random 100 each splinter. Fair's fair!

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Old 10/20/06, 6:30 PM   #12
Mist
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Shattered Hand
The first one was a no brainer. Our guild has 1 GM, 2 Officers, then a bunch of Coucilors below us. The GM is a Rogue, I, another Rogue, am an Officer, the other Officer is a Warlock. He had 98% raid attendance, and the highest DKP. He took a very large DKP hit and started collecting the shards, and there was no disagreement by anyone. He missed 0 splinters. Around the time he had 32 splinters, we had a discussion. A Member ranked Priest was at the top of the DKP, wanted the staff. He had around 75% attendance, as he was often late to raids due to parents and/or class. A Councilor Priest also wanted the staff, and had 100% attendance, but he was a bit lower in the DKP. A Councilor Mage ALSO wanted the staff, and was between the two Priests in DKP, but he had a class that would cause him to be late by hours most of the time on raid days. He was also now sharing a dorm room with the Member Priest that wanted the staff.

In the end, the Member Priest doesn't play anymore, the Councilor Mage plays rarely, and the Councilor Priest hasn't missed a splinter yet.

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Old 10/20/06, 6:37 PM   #13
Quasar
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Dragonmaw
I'm so confused.

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Old 10/20/06, 6:40 PM   #14
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We decided our first staff should go to a mage or warlock because DPS > Healing. We have a mage who's been one of the most dedicated members of the guild from day one, second in lifetime attendance (behind me but I don't count), helps out with our DKP, etc. No one could really question whether he deserved it. He got 40 splinters without missing any. As he neared 40, we as officers nominated about 10 people who were interested in the staff and had high lifetime and recent attendance. Because there really was no fair way of elevating one of them over any of the others, we let those 10 people figure it out -- they opted to do it by secret ballot, such that each of the ten would cast two votes, not allowed to vote for themselves, and the top two vote-getters in that order would get Atiesh #2 and #3. I think that worked out well.

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Old 10/20/06, 9:04 PM   #15
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You need somebody with the attendance to be there and collect every splinter.

I think a guild on our server went through 3 people before the 4th person was active enough to be in every raid and collect the splinters.

The 2 mages we've chosen thus far have been there, the first mage got all 40 in a row, the 2nd is 15 and counting.

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Old 10/20/06, 10:23 PM   #16
Zeza
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Earthen Ring
We are giving splinters to the oldest, crankiest mage we've got. If he's not there, we give them to the warlock with the most fashion sense

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Old 10/20/06, 10:50 PM   #17
kais[bo]
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Neptulon (EU)
we just bid dkp on it. in the end, it won't matter. it was clear that nax was the last instance pre expansion and i did not expect atiesh to compete vs lvl 70 epics from raid instances. so imho its a nice toy, but not more. first one will go to a warlock, atm a druid is collecting and after that ... we prolly won't go to nax often enough to get another set.

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Old 10/20/06, 10:55 PM   #18
Xunwael
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But it's Medivh's staff, man. How can you not want that? Staff of the guardian, most powerful mage in the world. He died as all mages should, ganked during downtime. A good death.

In an on-topic note, our splinters went to one of the veteran officers (the around since day one, everything for the guild-kinda people), by public vote. He did have to pay DKP for it, though. Around twice that of a Wraith Blade, most expensive item to date, so it was quite expensive. I believe he's only just now starting to get outa negative points. Priest.

But, seriously, this staff should always go to mages, because mages are badass and that kinda stuff. Besides, 2% crit will scale better than 33 damage in TBC, and who knows what kinda mischief a warlock could do with the ability to create portals instead of summoning circles.

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Old 10/20/06, 11:26 PM   #19
Digo
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50 DKP for the staff earns the rights to 40 shards in a row. Most Naxx staffs are normally something like 25 DKP.

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Old 10/20/06, 11:31 PM   #20
Vetinari
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2% crit won't necessarily scale better, since at level 70, its going to be 1.27% crit. Even at 1k spell damage, 33 spell damage is better :|

Clearly intellect is not your primary stat.

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Old 10/21/06, 2:47 AM   #21
Daboran
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Originally Posted by Vetinari
2% crit won't necessarily scale better, since at level 70, its going to be 1.27% crit. Even at 1k spell damage, 33 spell damage is better :|
In retrospect, our decision to give the first staff to a Druid (me :) ) was a decent decision due to the way crit is changed in TBC. Our reasoning at the time was mainly that mana is always useful to a greater percentage of classes, whereas dmg/healing depends more on stacking groups.

Having said this it is unlikely we will get more than one (if that) assuming that TBC will make Naxxramas obsolete pretty quickly and we are as yet only half-way through the bosses.

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Old 10/21/06, 2:53 AM   #22
Samelina
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Our first staff was a guild vote of a list of those interested in the staff with high attendance. Went to a druid who has all 40 splinters. The 2nd was DKP / attendance based which ended up going to me. 22 down.

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Old 10/21/06, 7:11 AM   #23
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First (and our only...) Atiesh splinter went ofc to me ;)

We had a short chat about it in officer chat and decided to make it an open bid, not that it'd made any difference, as I was in a DKP-lead of all atiesh-classes and said that I'd take it. Only other real contender was a druid who would also have been a worthy choice. The problem is, that I and atleast our officers knew that we'd have 0% change to collect the staff pre TBC, and I'm pretty sure that it's <1% change that I ever get it done. I also know, that other Mage-loot is much better spent on our other cloth-wearers than me, as I'm already competing in top5 DPS in about every fight. I also let myself have it as a reward for taking over the actual leadership and raidleading in our guild during the summer and this autumn. I've spend lots of time and thought in wow due to that, and wanted to accomplish something myself also. Not that I'd actually hope to get it done, but atleast I have a non-zero change on having a legendary staff someday. Non-zero essentially meaning pretty much something like epsilon%, if you know what I mean.

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Old 10/21/06, 8:01 AM   #24
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2% crit won't necessarily scale better, since at level 70, its going to be 1.27% crit. Even at 1k spell damage, 33 spell damage is better :|
Other auras (like druid's various efforts) have remained at a fixed percentage. I haven't seen an Atiesh on test yet, but I'd hope it follows the same rule.

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Old 10/21/06, 9:09 AM   #25
Jaete
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Hmm, I saw some screenies of this Nihilum mage with an Atiesh who was exploring TBC. Sent him a private message now on the Nihilum boards and asked about the aura. You can find the screenies and more here.

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