kais[bo]

i am wondering how resistance and protection pots work, thinking about sapphiron ofc. his frost aura ticks for 600 dmg. GFFP absorbs 2.5k. major healing potion 1.5k. now how do resistances + protection pots stack?

a )dmg -> dmg reduced by resistances -> pot absorbs the reduced dmg = greater frost prot potions wins
b) dmg -> pot absorbs dmg -> resistances would reduce non existant dmg = major hp wins

4h were a bit bitchy today, otherwise i'd just run in and test it in a few goes. anyone looked at this before?

 

Malorum

From my own testing and from what ive read its B.

 

Samelina

Resist Check -> Frost Pot -> Damage

 

Fjord

On a related note if you put up a Burrower's shell (and probably holy shield) while under a protection potion, the potion will be used first.

 

• sekdar

This is correct. Absorb effects are taken after armor (for physical damage) or after resistances (for magical damage). Greater protection potions win out here.

 

Zed

How about wards?

 

Herde

Wards get "A more powerful spell is active" if you try to activate them while you have a prot. pot.

 

• Arawethion

Yeah, it's A. Ask anyone who's ever used a GNPP at Huhuran.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Alayne

This used to be true. Try it at Twin Emps, you will be able to cast Frost Ward under the protection of GFrPP. Although I'm not entirely sure if the last 920 damage that would have been absorbed by a pot isn't actually overwritten and absorbed by the ward.
Guess I need to find a heavier hitting frost mage :P
http://sigilguild.net/hamlet/Screens...sfrostward.jpg

I suspect that a Ward + Prot Pot would be doubly effective on a very large spell damage taken. The only position I can imagine that being readily available are warlocks with GSPP/Shadow Ward standing in front of a Shadowflame or taking SS of Loatheb absorbtions. I don't even think Rag does enough direct fire damage to accurately test what I hypothesize.
On that note, never having seen Sapphirion, this whole line of inquiry appears to be moot, in that you would actually be absorbing more like my "duel" and less a direct blast in the face to absorb a whole GPP+ward.

 

Starpoe2

On a slightly offtopic note, how does this work with Soul Link?

Resist Check (On You) -> Damage (You) -> Resist Check (Pet) -> Damage (Pet)?

 

Hematite

Surely a lower tank frost ward and weaker frost protection potion would be sufficient test? I don't want to get shadow flamed!

 

Samelina

I played around with this a while ago when we were learning twin emps. From my combat logs it does not seem like your pet can resist damage that is sent from it's master

 

Mimesis

shadow ward suffers from the "a more powerful spell is already active" still.

 

huzzdi

I believe fire and frost ward stacking with the fire and frost protection pots was changed in the mage patch...guess they never addressed warlocks : /

 

Mekasha

Yeah, for mages at least you can pop fire/frostward on top of a prot pot; but unfortunately any damage of that type will still eat through your potion first, regardless of order you used the potion/buff first from what I've seen.

Kinda curious then, does this also apply to PW:S?

 

Vhex

Iirc, PW:S was changed in an earlier patch to be consumed prior to potion effects being consumed.