Why not just cap BE/Draenei out at lvl 60 unless you order TBC? That seems enough of a motivation to me - at the end of the day noone is going to want to stand still at 60 when there is so much great gear out there in Outlands. And that's not even looking at the raid game.
This is how I feel as well. However, the BE/Draenei starting areas and cities are, according to beta testers, tied to the Outland server and expansion (ie: going through some kind of portal to get to BE zones). That might cause problems.
They would also be fairly massive downloads if they weren't distributed by disc.
Still, it would be nice to be able to level a paladin to 60 before the expansion, so I wouldn't have to worry about playing catch up with all of my friends.
I'd rather them release it late than not fully flesh out the raid instances. I remember raiding in EQ in the first two expansions and killing some really really difficult encounters and nothing dropping, and other encounters either just not there or completely bugged beyond playability.
So having seen what happens when you push an expansion before it's ready... im glad it's being put back untill it's ready for release.
The quality of gear for leveling up doesn't seem to outweigh every class besides a warrior/shaman on horde side to switch main race to a blood elf if they had 6-10 weeks to prepare for outlands.
New cool race - level up with my friends as a guild - with not much anything else to do for 1-2 months - holiday season where alot of people have extra time -
effect --> disportionate number of 60 blood elf mains in outland compared to other races.
You need the drawback of missing out on outlands while leveling. You would have to really love your race choice to stay with it after years.
Sigh. Just what I wanted, another 3 month delay on re-rolling to a Paladin so I can get more grief from my guild about looting stuff on a character I'm not going to play anymore.
I wonder how much kicking and screaming they had to do to get Vivendi's OK to push the game back.
Originally Posted by CheshireCat
Eh, my nostalgia goggles aren't as good as they used to be.
I agree with Kody and Ayr, I can't see them releasing the new releases before the release of Outlands.
What's interesting, is that despite this it would actually work on several levels in their favour. The xmas period is naturally a quiet time for the raid guilds as so many are away - and without raiding, many players often run out of things to do, even in preparation for the expansion. If you suddenly had the opportunity to get that BE alt off the ground during the same period, I'd be surprised if people didn't do that almost exclusively.
As it is, if the expansion rolls everything out all at once, there will be a fraction of the potential players playing BE/Dranei simply because everyone will be tearing ass through Peninsula on their mains.
And keep this in mind: old gear, while not worthless in the expansion, IS going to be replaced relatively quickly, if you didn't have the privelige of being in a Naxx raiding guild, and especially as classes that benefit strongly from the enhanced itemization (warlocks, warriors, rogues (AGI +AP FTW)).
For that reason, people are not so afraid to abandon their investments. And, of course, they can pvp, under the improved honor system, have some fun, gear up, play a new class, try out the new specs, etc. And if they don't like it, they can go back to their main!
Should be fun.
Sadly, I don't have much hope of that happening, but I'm just a pessimist :(
Talents out before points won't matter much to me as a priest, since the disc talents I do have I feel are a must.
My hunter however, will be ditching the slaying talents etc since they're not really benefiting much in current content.
And 3 months till release is 3 more months to bang out Naxxramas. I am very pleased with this announcement. Sad that I won't see new content, new levels etc, but happy to be grinding out what I'm working on now.
I hate leaving behind unfinished content!
Edit: Try not to worry about upgrading gear like you are. Alot of things are replacable quite quickly already, and TBC is just adding levels. Having t2 and 3 even if you replace it quicker than you might like, will help you get the new stuff; it's not wasted.
I'd imagine being in trans and naxx gear will help me go through the 5 mans much easier than someone newly in devout heh. :P
Talents out before points won't matter much to me as a priest, since the disc talents I do have I feel are a must.
My hunter however, will be ditching the slaying talents etc since they're not really benefiting much in current content.
And 3 months till release is 3 more months to bang out Naxxramas. I am very pleased with this announcement. Sad that I won't see new content, new levels etc, but happy to be grinding out what I'm working on now.
I hate leaving behind unfinished content!
We're in the same position and I'm pretty much ecstatic for this change. We are currently working on C'Thun and now we have a real shot at seeing at least most, if not all, of Naxxramas.
The fact that all the content is going to get a nice long testing phase instead of being rushed out the door is pretty much gravy for us.
'War' is too small a word for what I'm fighting. Like a candle in front of the whole burning Sun. Now, I am not going to die today. I have other projects, and other options.
About that honor stacking deal, I haven't actually checked out much PvP stuff in the beta, but the only things I saw on vendors required Honor Hold tokens, which you only get by doing actual PvP objectives right? What are the items that you buy with honor points, and how does that system work? Can we stack forever?
The Honor Hold stuff is for World PvP objectives, each outland zone has some sort of system like that in place. The Honor system we're getting just gives us points we can amass which never decay. To purchase items you need to spend a certain amount of honor points and hand in battleground tokens.
Like to get the current Rank 14 Spellblade you need 20 Arathi Basin battleground tokens and XXXX amount of honor points
The most progressed horde guild on our server had 8 people online last night during raid time, another had 17. We barely managed an AQ raid and still have huhu emps and razuvious to kill tonight (unlikely) or we miss them for the week. I wonder how much of a difference this new release date will make to this, I hazard a guess at 'not much'.
Ouch. I knew we were having a lot of problems lately (the multiple disbands and renamings probably aren't helping us out much, mind), but i didn't realise you and Validus were so badly off as well :(
I'm really not looking forwards to trying to hold the guild together until January now - it was looking shaky enough with a November release, but now we have to get through another two months?
Yeah rough times recently, good indicator to how loyal certain people are though.
As for the new races being released, from a financial point of view I doubt it would be in Blizzard's best interest. In reality not many people like you and I are going to cancel our accounts if the new races are TBC only (level 1 though to 70) but I would predict many casual gamers who 'just want to play the cool new races' would be perfectly happy just playing them with a cap at 60 and therefore not need/want to buy TBC. Remember Blizzard have said a large proportion of people don't even have a single level 60 character 2 years after US release.
I'm personally very pleased with the delay, for several reasons.
a) it gives me time to level my druid to 60 (the one I might consider my main if I enjoy playing it)
b) gives our guild time to delve into Naxx, we only just begun there and it would be a shame to miss it.
c) the bunch of kids that clutters the servers during the holidays will be back to school and bedtimes when BC comes out, which might give a small relief to the servers.
d) I get to play around with the extended pally tree a little, which will be very, very interesting in the current endgame content.
As for keeping the guild together, our guild will probably not have any trouble with that since we are doing good progress atm and people seem to be very motivated to get deep into Naxx (and to finish off AQ40) before the expansion. I do realise that other guilds might have a problem with this, though... my solution if that happened in my guild would probably be to drop raiding to two-three nights a week and apart from that let people do what they wanted until the guild spirit began to rise again. It's probably also recommandable to get the whole guild engaged in planning on how to take on all the new things that comes with BC, discussing new raid-styles, specs, levelling strategies etc.
Completely sucks for us, as we're one of the guilds who already went through drama (10+ people in beta gquitting and forming a new guild) and have stopped raiding/recruiting because the expansion was right around the corner. I have no idea what we're going to do right now, especially for the people who want to raid but were hanging around for a month for things to resettle.
As for the new races being released, from a financial point of view I doubt it would be in Blizzard's best interest. In reality not many people like you and I are going to cancel our accounts if the new races are TBC only (level 1 though to 70) but I would predict many casual gamers who 'just want to play the cool new races' would be perfectly happy just playing them with a cap at 60 and therefore not need/want to buy TBC. Remember Blizzard have said a large proportion of people don't even have a single level 60 character 2 years after US release.
And bumping the talents to 51 points without implementing a lot of the other mechanics changes like Mage threat reduction and just about everything for Hunters without the equalization of the two sides would be a nightmare of PVE balance, never mind what Dual Wield and Crusader Strike among others would do to PVP balance. I don't really see what else they can release before TBC other than the revised honor system, which will result in massive amounts of hoarding for TBC loot when it's released.
Originally Posted by CheshireCat
Eh, my nostalgia goggles aren't as good as they used to be.
Well I was totally wrong about the TBC release date. With an extra two months the devs can really finish and polish their endgame, obviously something that was missing with the original WoW release. This renews my great faith in Blizzard's competence. Honestly though, I would still be pretty happy with the expansion if it released with the 60-70 content complete only.
This gives me more time to play BF2142/NWN2/DoWDC/FFXII that I wouldn't have had before, because god knows I won't be doing much else once BC hits for a month or two at the least.
With 4 bosses left in Naxx, I am now sure we can kill KT before BC, whereas with a Nov release that would be unpossible. Well, as long as we don't have 10 emo ppl gquit.
While I would LOVE Blizzard if they released starting zones, I just don't see them doing it. It sucks even more now to reroll, as everyone else is going to be able to 1) try out their talents and 2) start hording honor pts, so the new rerollers are even further behind (not just 60 lvls).
I was wondering about the patch and what mechanics would be behind it. If the talents come out for hunters and the mechanics the same then =O. You thought aimed shot hit hard now! Damn! That's a lot of hurt to bring down on some greens wearing mage. But personally, I expect to see the mechanics and itemization to change. I just don't know for sure. And pet scaling mechanics are something to take into consideration as well. Damn I can't wait to find out. =)
10/24/06, 9:02 AM
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