The only MC I've experienced was Nef's (Skeram always, without fail picks rogues), and I aimed-shot the MT for 3k. So yes they use shots, and I was glad it was the tin can with 440 def instead of some random priest who I'd one-shot.
Just a couple nights ago, Skeram got me, popped AR, Blade Flurry and Blood rage and proceeded into "lawnmower rage". Then of course we get the "wah, make the rogues go weaponless". The real comedy however, is when you get mc'd with no weapons and you AR+BF+BR and start 3 shotting people with punches. At that point people just said "let them have thier weapons they're just punching us to death anyway". LOL
The reasons rogues beat stuff down really fast when MC'd is that blade flurry is broken. It receives the 300% damage bonus for the original hit, then 300% more for the blade flurry. An easy solution is to just have the rogues blow blade flurry, but to me, getting MC'd and nailing a someone for 10k+ is the most exciting part of that fight.
I Gnomish MC Capped a druid flag carrier in WSG because he was like 1 foot from their tunnel, he proceeded to shift to cat, then stealth dropping the flag. :D I was pleasantly suprised.
When I'm MC'd they run me around just spamming holy nova typically.
The one thing I notice is when ANY orc is EVER mind controlled, it blows their bloodfury. Always, I've never seen an orc be MC'd and not blow bloodfury. Very annoying as a healer.
I am curious as to whether the "type" of mind control influences the AI. Skeram usually
a) Spams Consecrate (ticks for 300... man I wish I could do that regularly)
b) Switches to a random aura(which sometimes I don't notice until sartura >.>)
c) Cleanses him of quite a few debuffs
d) auto-attacks(once I stunned the MT on my side)
While Baroness I generally blow perception, switch to a random aura, then spam flash of light on myself(even at 100%). No MC have I ever been smart enough to judge something. I can't recall ever using LoH, so it may be off limits to the AI("Your Lay On Hands *crits* Skeram for 20k") but I am not positve on this.
To me it seems the baroness AI is much stupider, but I have only anecdotal evidence of this. Also
1) Any regular mob MC (raid or no) divine shield is an option.
2) Boss MC it's usually greyed out("Can't do that while mind controlled")
3) True Fulfillment goes right through it, although I don't know if I've ever used it while debuffed(though I've popped it and then became mind controlled)
So there is definitely some intentional "strength" differences between MC types.
Skeram is yet to blow my LoH but the MC bugs in one of the hives in silithus will do it. I instruct people to blow BoP anytime it comes up now to counter the BoP problem. This is something I noticed Skeram do only recently - he will bless sacrifice on himself almost every time. Not sure if this is sign of actual AI or just random - but it basically makes you immune to sheep and you may die as it lasts after MC ends and you lose the 4x healing + instacast buff. AI popped bubble (doesn't break Skeram MC) once for me. I never specced for consecration, it never granted me that spell.
Back in my pvp days I used MC cap all the time, it blew the 30 minute warrior cooldown some 70% of the time - the remainder I'm guessing it was down.
We once lost a Nefarian phase 1 because a combat dagger rogue got MC'd, Blade Flurry + Adrenaline Rush + 6k backstabs hitting 2 people at once... Yeah, he took out his entire side minus tanks in about 5 seconds, who then died due to lack of healers. Best thing ever though, Nef finished with him, MC'd me when I was the only person left, healed me to full, and then despawned all of the mobs and himself. Free wipe protection.
I always see it pop Blood Fury, maybe Howl of Terror if people are near me at the time, but always, always, ALWAYS will there be a Rain of Fire involved.
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Sure, as a warrior being MCed they'll use intimidating shout. But that's the only intelligent move. The rest is popping perception, slam and attacking people with my gun.
The only MC I've experienced was Nef's (Skeram always, without fail picks rogues), and I aimed-shot the MT for 3k. So yes they use shots, and I was glad it was the tin can with 440 def instead of some random priest who I'd one-shot.
Heh, I've gotten MC'd twice on Nef and multishotted a group of priests (one of them being my guild leader, who ironically got one shotted). Which soon thereafter led to a wipe =/
2500 - 5200 damage in a single multishot followed by an autoshot hit for 1500 damage usually means whoever Nef is targetting that is not wearing mail+ is dead if I crit =/
If I were programming a raid encounter, 30 Minute cooldowns and instant casts like Holy Nova are probably the smartest abilities to prioritize. If you blow your 30 minute cooldown, then it isn't available to use against the boss or adds when you have control of your character again. Since Holy Nova rank 6 is an instant cast and pretty mana inefficient, I think it's also not a bad choice for an MC ability.
Basically, if the concept is that mages are going to polymorph the MC'd player about 2 seconds after the MC (1.5 second cast), then you would want AI to prioritize abilties that can be used quickly and are the most damaging to the character or raid. There are a lot of abilities that would suck if the MC player used them against the raid. Fears are the worst. But if you take into account the time it would take to burn the most damaging abilities vs. the time it takes a good mage to polymorph, there are limited choices.
The two characters I've had MC experience with are a mage and warrior. I have certainly noticed the int. shout, deathwish, slam, shoot bow behaviour for my warrior. That seems to be pretty normal. They generally do not blow recklessness/shield wall though.
With my mage occasionally I get the flamestrike/arcane explosion. But most often I got him to cast arcane brilliance and make water and blow mage armor/frost armor/mana shield. Which is pretty retarded, well other than it blows my mana pool.
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It's strange, MC from mindslayers and hakkar just makes me try to cast slam on people, but when the hoodoo piles MC me they use my abilities much more intelligently. the first thing I do after getting MC'd by a pile or the baroness is pop deathwish and then whirlwind
maybe all mind control is the same and that's just a coincidence, but it's weird
When MC'd by Skeram as a druid, I usually cast Wrath at people and use HT on Skeram himself. Interestingly, there's no "Two wrath than run to melee" like Jin'Do's mind control or similiar. And of course, NS gets used straight away.
As a warrior, being MCed will usually pop last stand too, which is pretty funny when people are trying to kill you. Watching rogues tear up 2-3healer on skeram is funny too. I remember looting the zg pile that's the closest to jindo, getting MCed, and AE fearing people into jindo when we still had trash and people were oom. Got yelled at quite a bit for this one ^^
Agreed, dak. I always pray for blood whenever I get mind controlled, be it from the hoodoo piles or off Skeram. I had one of our rogues oneshot my mage on Skeram - chain resisted polymorphs = dead squishy. I'd just love to see the AI tweaked from "decent" to "pure evil" and burn all cooldowns in the hope of killing as many priests as possible.
This happened to me once in Stratholme. I got MC'd and after my cooldowns were used, I turned to the priest and started flinging frostbolts at him. Didn't help that I was a might overgeared than he was. I felt sorry for him but at the same time I was laughing at my keyboard.
I must concur. There is nothing, nothing more frustrating to me, as a rogue, than say, having Jin'do's totem grab me, blow ALL my cooldowns--AR, BF, zerk, and Evasion--run between three undergeared, squishy, alt healers... And try to bow some hunter. :(
On the other hand, I would swiftly break keyboards if MC was truly intelligent. If the first thing a warlock did when MC'd was "Fear the MT", I would be very upset.
(Edit: And while we don't necessarily have to gib the people controlled by the piles, to me, it's honestly the best part of those godwful idol runs. We wait for it. Eagerly.)
Of all the classes, I think the AI is worst at playing Hunter.
Yea that seems to be mostly my experience (Volley is always used). Though 1 time I got MCed by a totem on Hexxar and autoshot a mage for 1997.
I nominate Druid. ZG Piles always NS Wrath then send me into catform and spam Tigrers Fury then rake. Or bearform and enrage then AoE taunt/frenzied regen.
It helps that our DPS is already miserable when resto spec.
As a warlock being MC'd on Skeram i've noticed that I only ever have used 3 abilities (4 if you count auto-attack), those being: Searing pain, Shadowbolt, and Rain of Fire.
That's wierd, Jindo's Brainwash Totems consistently have me spending Howl of Terror, which is consistent with what other people see with regards to cooldowns. Never been MC'd at Skeram though, (what kinda strat you using to pull of that btw? =P), might be different MC's I guess. HoT is fun though, in that I remind our warriors to waste their Intimidating Shout on Hakkar, and then we go to the next boss and I AoE-fear the raid myself =P.
Other than that, Rain of Fire is indeed my most used spell while MC'd, followed by Searing Pain.
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