As Burning Crusade approaches, I'm finding my raiding time reduced in general and am interested in setting up a twink character or two for the low level battlegrounds.
The information on this is somewhat sparse though. My general understanding is that Rogues dominate the 10-19 bracket, and Druids are good for the 20-29 bracket (for Feline Swiftness and Dash). Also, no one really plays the higher brackets seriously. Beyond that, I really know nothing on the enviroment.
So I guess I have two questions. One, what is the general class power level in the low-end brackets, and what can I expect from other twinks in that level range? As a side note, what are the top gear options and enchants for characters at that level range?
Two, is it fun to play twinks in that level range? I became bored with AB/WSG because the only options there seemed to be queueing with a group (and rolling 90% of the matches because they were mostly PUGs on the other side) or solo-queueing and watching everyone on my team run around like idiots. An overpowered character at that level seems like it could be fun, just by being the one-man force. But do they run into other, equally over-geared and enchanted characters often enough to keep it interesting, or is it just constantly destroying other low-level characters?
For the 29 bracket, I like my rogue a lot. Rogues at that level scale incredibly well with gear, especially weapons. I use two Zealot Blades (apparently a caster weapon, but has 81 max damage, which is the highest top end damage you can get at 29) enchanted with fiery. People just pretty much fall over dead when they get close to me, no matter what.
I find it quite fun, in a stress-relief type of way
Just anecdotally, i played my (non twinked) 19 shaman in a BG recently, came against a fully twinked team of 10 alliance rogues. Most of them were able to one shot me. Put me off low level BGs for good i think :)
I use two Zealot Blades (apparently a caster weapon, but has 81 max damage, which is the highest top end damage you can get at 29) enchanted with fiery.
Aren't there better options for the offhand, enchant wise and weapon wise?
I use two Zealot Blades (apparently a caster weapon, but has 81 max damage, which is the highest top end damage you can get at 29) enchanted with fiery.
Aren't there better options for the offhand, enchant wise and weapon wise?
Oh, certainly, I'm sure there are. At the time of his twinkage, however, I was pretty much just going by what the auction house had. I also was not intending to have the best possible gear, I was just going about it quickly to have fun.
A simple search on thottbot provides a nice list of lvl 29 weapons: listed by dps
I'm no expert, but lvling an alliance warlock alt recently on Azshara (whatever battlegroup that is), I can give you a few random unscientific observations I had while playing 10-29 bgs as I lvl'd. It won't be some amazing guide, but
There were a fair amount of twinks on both sides, seemed like more 19s than 29's, but I'm just guessing. Plenty of people rolling in 1's and 2's together as well as a few 10 man gulch groups (rare). So yes, there will be plenty of other twinks to keep it interesting, as well as plenty of easy prey with terrible gear to horribly destroy.
-Warstomp and WotF stand out even more than at higher levels.
-Shamans are insane at 29. Ghost wolf = uncatchable flag carrier (no mounts).
-Warriors suck - no zerk stance till 30. Fear = lol
-29 rogues are pretty insane. You can get a ton of HP, and enchants like fiery weapon add DPS casters have no equivalent for.
-There were a few hunters that were just incredible. Insane damage, lots of HP, got away easily.
-I felt really powerful as a warlock at 29, even with just a bunch of crap greens. Felt like I destroyed twinks right along with everyone else...except shamans and rogues...no death coil = lose.
I played a little bit at 10-19 and 20-29 with my mage, and I found that well geared rogues were just incredibly difficult to deal with. A lot of it has to do with weapon enchants, and the lower level the character is, the more unbalancing those enchants are. Rogues are the primary benefactor of that. At 20-29, shamans and druids are just invaluable in WSG - the mobility is great.
I saw the comment about higher level BGs not being played seriously and maybe that's true for your BG group, but for the one my mage is in (Lightning's Blade, can't remember which group that is), there's plenty of action at 50-59, which is where I have her at now. I like 50-59 because you have access to most of your skills, and the effects of enchants are much more diluted. Good gear is relatively easy to attain, you have plenty of time going from level 50 to 59 to run instances and whatnot. Everyone has mounts (although I cheat and have an epic mount) so druids and shamans aren't quite so powerful in WSG, although still the best at flag running of course. I play her solely for fun.
At any rate, while the pugs still suck, usually I can get a group with 3-4 others, and even if I'm solo, I still feel I can be a difference maker. We run into similiary sized teams a lot, and occasionally a full 10 man, but by and large it's a far more enjoyable experience than 60 PVP - where either I'm on a team rolling everyone, or not on a team being rolled by everyone. Our 10-19 was always heavily tilted toward the Horde, with a lot of twinked out rogues, so that just helped me gravitate to a higher level BG I guess, but I think it's a U-shaped graph on how gear affects each bracket -- starting off high at 10-19, dipping down low by 40-49 and 50-59, and then zooming right back up at 60.
I have 4 level 29 twinks available to me, and I can tell that the dominant kill class is probably warrior, I can get 450 white damage (Non crit,) with my current gear, and no rogue can really keep up, but they are the only class which will trouble you as a whole (Warlocks are generally ineffective at that level, even though not many people can do anything about fear.)
Twink priest is fun, I went a shadow damage set up and have something like 140 shadow damage on it, owns people in 1v1 but uses a lot of mana, and nothing you can do against twink rogues...
Twink Rogue is amazing to play, like a warrior but with stealth and doesn't hit as hard, not a lot people can do to react to this unless they are a Twink Paladin or Warrior.
Twink mage, Probably the most money spent on getting this in spell damage, and I got the least from it :( I can two shot a lot of people but it's no where near as fun as a warrior or rogue :/
On the subject of 19 and 29 twinks I'd definately say that rogue and hunter are the best two for both of those brackets. Rogues are more raw power, but you still suffer from being melee in that you can often get snared or rooted, and without a team you wont be getting many dispells. Hunters own the middle pretty hard and are a nightmare for both melee and casters. You also get aspect of the cheetah if in the 29 bracket, which is pretty great.
She's Commander - Rank 11. The PvP mounts are only min level 40, and require 75 riding skill. It's fun really, you always get a ton of tells asking if you're hacking or cheating or how the hell you have an epic, and there's nothing better than chasing down a druid FC and his support when they weren't expecting anyone to be able to catch up to them and doing something like this:
The only exceptional piece of gear I have is an elemental attuned blade with spellpower. That was easily purchased with the money I earned going to level 59, which would have otherwise gone for an epic mount at level 60 with a normal character. That's why I think 50-59 is well balanced, if you're taking a character up there, you're going to earn a fair amount of coin along the way to flesh them out with BoE's, etc. This character is the only one I have on that server, so I literally built her from scratch.
Also I just realized I kinda derailed it from lower levels, but wanted to point out that there's plenty of action at 40-49 and 50-59 and the games are usually faster paced due to the mounts. Plus you always have the option of going into AV. :)
As Burning Crusade approaches, I'm finding my raiding time reduced in general and am
So I guess I have two questions. One, what is the general class power level in the low-end brackets, and what can I expect from other twinks in that level range? As a side note, what are the top gear options and enchants for characters at that level range?
Stay away from casters except for priests. It is just way too easy to one shot them. Rogues and warriors with fiery weapon (or crusader if you have cash), hunters with huge AP, and healbot priests dominate 20-29. I hardly ever come across druids, shaman, or paladins. The paladins and druids I do fight are just free kills for my hunter though, they just don't have much at that level.
Two, is it fun to play twinks in that level range? I became bored with AB/WSG because the only options there seemed to be queueing with a group (and rolling 90% of the matches because they were mostly PUGs on the other side) or solo-queueing and watching everyone on my team run around like idiots. An overpowered character at that level seems like it could be fun, just by being the one-man force. But do they run into other, equally over-geared and enchanted characters often enough to keep it interesting, or is it just constantly destroying other low-level characters?
Get a group of people to twink with and play together. I assume you will roll on Tich since thats where your sig says your from. That battlegroup is pretty active with twinks and there are some good guilds on both sides. I don't know of any active twink alliance guilds on Tich anymore, but we could use some good competition.
Twink mage, Probably the most money spent on getting this in spell damage, and I got the least from it :( I can two shot a lot of people but it's no where near as fun as a warrior or rogue :/
Survivability is so low at that level with a mage, that's the problem I had. Weapon enchants totally destroyed me. It's fun to sit at range and 2 shot people but invariably there's 2 rogues sneaking up on me.
Don't twink a caster for the 19/29 brackets. Wicked enchants like +25 agi to weapon, crusader, +15 agi gloves, librams, etc are much more powerful for physical damage dealing classes (rogues/hunters, warriors, shaman and paladins) than pure casters. Hunters dominate the BG's at 29, having both powerful ranged damage and movement speed via cheetah. In general, horde have an advantage due to shaman ghost wolf, esp in AB.
I worked on 29 mage a while ago, and with the proper gear you could do quite well, I believe. However, with the upcoming change to spell dmg mechanics, I don't think making a caster for 29(19 is out of the question) is a good investment. Pretty much any of the classes which scale well with agi/str are a good bet.
I have 4 level 29 twinks available to me, and I can tell that the dominant kill class is probably warrior, I can get 450 white damage (Non crit,) with my current gear, and no rogue can really keep up, but they are the only class which will trouble you as a whole (Warlocks are generally ineffective at that level, even though not many people can do anything about fear.)
I didn't see this at all, so maybe it varies a lot more than I thought. At 29 on my warlock I felt just fine and warriors never crit me for anything like that except with execute. (though 39 and 49 are better since you can have conflag, shadowburn, death coil).
Edit:
Of course the other classes are better, and I never felt like I was playing the best class, but I could top the killing blow charts sometimes, and I didn't feel useless at all unless there were like 4 shams =p
But yes...what everyone is saying is right...if you really want to make the most out of a twink, a class that can take advantage of str/agi will scale much better as you dump more gold into it...casters just don't have the gear/enchant options available that melee do.
Don't forget +dmg gear wasn't added to the game until after release...and they never bothered to seriously re-itemize the low level caster gear...though there are a few good pieces, all you get from most of your gear is some tiny amount of +crit from int =\
Wicked enchants like +25 agi to weapon, crusader, +15 agi gloves, librams, etc are much more powerful for physical damage dealing classes (rogues/hunters, warriors, shaman and paladins) than pure casters.
As far as weapon enchants are concerned, don't forget that procs like fiery weapon gets comparatively more powerful the lower level you are. I'd absolutely take 2x fiery over 2x15 agility.
10-19 is definitely rogue. The enchants and gear available blows away the other classes for the most part. I've seen some hunters and warriors twinked out too, but there is less of them and they don't hold a candle to twinked rogues.
I honestly cannot see the appeal to staying in that bracket as class balance is totally thrown out the window and you have rogues with 4-5x hp 1-shotting people. There's supposed to be gear/group matching in the expansion which is going to put people just leveling who want some PvP together and likewise have groups made of 80% twinked rogues fighting eachother. I thinking twinking will be greatly diminished by not being able to dominate like that. The reason the higher brackets don't have serious twinking is because the difference between a normal guy leveling and wearing a handful of instance gear and a twink isn't all that huge.
10-19 is definitely rogue. The enchants and gear available blows away the other classes The reason the higher brackets don't have serious twinking is because the difference between a normal guy leveling and wearing a handful of instance gear and a twink isn't all that huge.
The difference is just as big, but its harder. Most people can get to the mid 20s in no time, and average twinking will set you back ~200g. The higher you go the more expensive and time consuming it gets.
BGs will always be dominated by the people with the gear. The benefit of the low level ones is that the best gear is cheap, easy, and still the best a year later.
Has anyone tried getting the bloodsail hat at level 19? It's a quest item so it has no level required but I'm not sure if the quest has a level required or what kind of exp you would get from killing goblins with a level 60.
Has anyone tried getting the bloodsail hat at level 19? It's a quest item so it has no level required but I'm not sure if the quest has a level required or what kind of exp you would get from killing goblins with a level 60.
I've heard of someone trying it, and while it's possible to get the reputation needed (The bruisers give no experience), the quest isn't available until you're around level 55.
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I have a 29 Shaman that I've played in battlegrounds some. He wasn't leveled as a twink, just an alt that I wanted to try playing in that bracket for a change of pace. After a few rounds I spent some gold in the AH for some nicer stuff but still his gear is sub-par (for a twink). While he has 1250 health, I've seen hunters, rogues and warriors with 2000+ health at level 29. Paladin twinks can be scary too, their DPS is relatively higher at low levels and the stuns are useful.
(edited for clarity, my original 3am post was nearly banworthy)
The difference is just as big, but its harder. Most people can get to the mid 20s in no time, and average twinking will set you back ~200g. The higher you go the more expensive and time consuming it gets.
BGs will always be dominated by the people with the gear. The benefit of the low level ones is that the best gear is cheap, easy, and still the best a year later.
The difference definitely isn't as big in higher brackers. As people level up, they end up instancing more or buying items/enchants since they stay around the same levels longer.
The big change is the enchants, though. +100 HP, fiery, etc are all comparitively much more powerful at 19 then say, 49. I was leveling a warlock recently and in the late teens I had somewhere around 350-400 hp w/ bloodpact and was fighting rogues with 11-1200 HP. That would be like a lv 60 raider with 12khp fighting people in greens.
Wel I have a lvl 29 warrior twink that I use if I feel like pvp'ing, since it's impossible to do so with my druid (call me crazy but I don't like to heal in battlegrounds!).
Mage - can be quite good, but requires a buddy to team up with if you ask me. 2 mages are going to destroy alot, 1 mage on it's own is going to eat the dust a lot.
warrior - absolutely rocks. Lots of fun, lots of health, lots of damage. A lot of good enchants available and there are a lot of different weapon options available if you go dual wielding which gives a lot of variety.
druid - I had a druid in 20-29 once (now my main) and while they are 'good' for flag running they aren't great at all, I wouldn't chose them, they just don't have the damage, healing or staying power of any of the pure classes (same story at lvl 60 really)
warlock - fear! powerful character to play in this lvl range. Not that easy though and I don't think you'll ever dominate with them, but being able to do damage while running is good at every lvl range.
hunter - decimates everything in it's path
priest - if you enjoy the heal bot path then priest is the way to go.
paladin - best flagruning class if you ask me. Twinked ones can hit scary hard and still have heaps and heaps of mana to keep there team up. I have never played one myself though, only encountered (and cursed!).
I would advice to make a class you enjoy, get some cheap enchants, questable weapons/armour and see if you enjoy it. The best idea is to start running the bg's at 25, so you can hand in the marks for both xp and fast reputation.
lvl 10-19 isn't that fun if you ask me, everything just depends on the silly expensive enchants and classes just miss way to much skills. At 29 most of the classes have there class defining skills already.
11/06/06, 1:50 PM
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