...what else could you possibly want to know that's not been covered in this thread?

I think you are referring to this

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...27963071&sid=1

heh - not much I guess just more on dots recieving the full dmg bonus that you posted about. ie the priests combat log and maybe similiar numbers from a warlock

Thing I found with it, is that its next spell, not a current spell on the mob. So a DoT that's already on the mob wouldn't consume the charge, it would have to be cast on the mob AFTER the proc and not have anything else hit the mob untill the DoT ticked. Atleast that's how I've seen it work, and I've had 6 set bonus for quite some time now.

I'd think if you have 6 pieces of Frostfire already you hardly have inferior gear in other slots - unless you're an alt mage being powered with gear to make up for a class deficiency.

It's a good bonus if used correctly.

What to aim for: The mage is using a quick attack like scorch to proc the bonus and the bonus is being used up by spells that get 100% from dmg gear. Overall raid dps should go up.

If you're fond of piddly stamina perhaps.

Not to forget the spirit on FF.

Frostfire Shoulders vs Rime Covered Mantle
+50 Health
+90 Mana
+9 Spirit
-0.90% Spell Critical Strike
-3 Spell Damage

Frostfire Bracers vs Soul Harvester's Binding
+60 Mana
-0.93% Spell Critical Strike
+6 Spell Damage

Frostfire Gloves vs Dark Storm Gauntlets
-20 Health
+60 Mana
+10 Spirit
-1.00% Spell Hit
-1 Spell Damage

Frostfire Belt vs Eyestalk Waistcord
+90 Health
+180 Mana
+10 Spirit
-0.80% Spell Critical Strike
+1.00% Spell Hit
-13 Spell Damage

Frostfire Leggings vs Leggings of Polarity
+50 Health
+180 Mana
+10 Spirit
-1.80% Spell Critical Strike
+1.00% Spell Hit
+2 Spell Damage

So just looking at the differences to upgrade to 6 pc frostfire you'd pick up FF bracers and FF Gloves if you are hitcapped or FF belt if you aren't.

-20 Health
+120 Mana
+10 Spirit
-0.93% Spell Critical Strike
-1.00% Spell Hit
+5 Spell Damage

That's fairly misleading, as it's based around having frostfire robes/ring, which is fairly difficult for most people to obtain. It seems a little unreasonable to push for 6 piece frostfire by planning on getting the ring/robe as part of it, as they drop at the end of the dungeon.


I'm not really a big fan of frostfire, as most of the available pieces to get in order to reach the 6 piece bonus are fairly large downgrades from other gear I could be getting. If you compare the gearsets like you did above, but without access to robe/ring, you'd find it was a larger gap.

I'm curious to as how you are at the hit cap without "losing gobs of crit chance". It's the same thing as changing your hit items into crit items, and picking up frostfire hit items. I'm know picking up crit for a fire mage is a good thing, but picking up the 6 pc frostfire is a larger increase in raid dps.

Yes, it's under the assumption that you get ring/chest, but at this point if you aren't going to get ring you can always pick up BOTH the gloves and the belt and perhaps even the shoulders to get your 6pc while you wait for chest/ring.

Well, thats pretty easy actually

head+zg enchant=2
cloak=1
bracers=1
gloves=1
legs (zg enchant)=1
ring=1
tear=2
weapon=1
offhand=1
wand=1

Thats 12, enough with 2/3 EP and you only losing 2 crit (bracers/gloves). With 3/3 EP its even easier.

I know the availablity of hit, but I must have forgotten to quote the poster I was replying to. He was referring that getting 6pc FF you were "losing gobs of crit" when in reality you only lose 1-2 at most when picking up 6pc, and since you can pickup pieces like belt or chest which have hit on them, you can replace say bracers for crit. It's a lot more realistic than everyone picking up the best non-set items for hit that you listed as well. I'm in a Sapphiron killing guild, and we've only seen 1 Wand of Fates, 2 Cloak of the Devoured, 3 Neltharion's Tears, 2 Sapphiron's Left Eye, 0 Scepter of Vek'lor... so personally my hit isnt capped and I assume that not every mage in your guild is lucky enough to have picked up all their hit gear without having to sacrifice crit for it.

EDIT: Completely forgot about Jindo's Bag of Whammies and Cloak of Consumption. They are actually really helpful when trying to reach the hit cap, but unless you have a tear, and the best item for every slot it's relatively hard to reach hit cap.