Having some problems with the spawns.

I cannot see a way to control them 100% safely. Tank, shackle, both; everything comes to an end when the tank/priest is mind controlled and we lose control on the combat. We're reaching phase 3 at almost every attempt, with 35+ people most of the time, but that looks extremely hard to have full control on them. We wiped at 1% just because 2 tanks in a row got frost blast and 3 ads two shotted every next healer, healing 3k ticks from that icecube was pretty hard it seems. Another wipe was because mind controlling the tank of 2 ads. All these overall look too random.

Are we supposed to kill Kelthuzad before it kills us like at ouro, or does anyone have a solid tactic for the ads? I'm used to having a secondary tank, or any secondary method for things like mind controls or frost blasts; here I felt hopeless. After spending 3 days on horsemen I dont really think we can down him this week, but we can at least hope for the best.

I'm afraid I couldnt, he'd be dead otherwise. We're kinda stuck in a deadend, that's what leads me here.

You don't want any DPS on the adds. Tank / Shackle them.

Tank and shackle them. The adds are ofcourse a problem, that's why they're there. But try your best with shackling and tanking them. All your warriors should be dressed in tanking gear, perhaps the dps warriors in hybrid gear. Also, you need to keep cool when p3 hits and keep your positioning so you only get 1, max 2 frost blast encasings.

No, but we can't avoid falling one by one either. So sooner or later it's coming to that.

My point is, before asking "Should we do this?" how about trying it?

Really unsure how on earth your bug tanks got mced. Did you just not have anyone dpsing kel? Really, once you have all the adds under control, phase 3 is no different to phase 2 for us. The only problem for us is the 10 seconds after they first spawn but after that, its pretty much smooth sailing if they haven't already caused too much damage.

I wouldn't compare Kel'Thuzad to Ouro: on a perfect Kel'Thuzad kill you're going to have your whole raid alive, whereas our Ouro kills are with barely 10 people up. We treated phase 3 sort of like huhuran's enrage : we stop dps at 42% and wait for the MC, once he's done that we go all out. About the adds: We shackled 3 and offtanked 2; priests said you somehow can't shackle all of them. Apparently the remaining ass are immune to shackle so you're always going to have to offtank 2.
We managed to keep the fight completely under control, we had no deaths from the guardians and only lost a few melee due to frost blasts around 10% since they were getting antsy and ignored the move in/out warnings.

Yes, 3 is the max you can shackle. Memory is a little hazy as we haven't tried shackling more for a number of weeks but I'm pretty sure all current shackles get dispelled if you try and shackle more, rather than just one breaking/extras being immune. If the tanked bugs don't change target too often, then won't hit for very much at all. Our bug tanks don't actually do anything at all in phase 2 anyway, so really phase 3 is almost exactly the same, with just a little more healing required. This is of course assuming you can get the bugs under control easily/quickly. If you can't, well.. things can get very ugly very quickly.

Make sure priests aren't trying to shackle one a tank is trying to tank since they just keep on growing in size if you do that.

Heh then have them have less life if it makes that more manageble. More HP actually makes KT harder for people besides MT's.

But, we have 2 tanks tanking them all with a couple shackles up also and normally things go quite clean. Also if tanks getting Frost Blasted or MC is an issue in this phase then move them more than 100 yds away from KT (might require moving KT but consider it). Are you also waiting for MC to go off before going down to 40%? You should be able to kill KT before he gets off another MC if you wait for one at the low 40's.

We saw that in the hard way too, having more hp isnt really that good at kelthuzad; especially while tanking 2 ads a frostblast is almost impossible to counter if you have 12k hp.

About mc, didnt think it was totally threat based(is it?) since the priests and hunters etc were getting it; apart from the tank it seemed random. I hope you meant the offtanks wont get mc? Or was it just to get less mind controls during p3?