Hey guys, first post here and this is a great forum by the way.

I was always under the impression that during the HuHu fight that as MT I was to wear quite a bit of NR resistance gear. We typically have me and another warrior swap agro after two debuffs which works well by the way.

The last few times we have killed HuHu we went no NR gear at all ( me and another tank) and just put on our best mitigation gear, this works better than having a load of NR gear on it seemed. We have killed HuHu the last 5-6 times we have tried. Any one else doing it this way? For all i know you are all doing it that way and i missed the memo :)

This is a pretty narrow topic for a thread. Short answer: Yes. As a rule, on basically any resistance fight in the game except Geddon, Firemaw, and Rag, you probably want your MT wearing less resist than the other people being exposed to the damage, because of the importance of physical damage. (This is true from Vael on up through Sapphiron.)

The easy way to do it is to use DM or SWStats to see the source of damage taken by your MT after a wipe (or a kill, even), and how much came from which sources. If your tank is taking 75% of his damage from melee attacks, then gimping armor and def in order to get more resist is a poor choice.

Edit: Dammit.

Yeah, we all do that. You missed the memo. :eng101:

EDIT: I like you guys better in Aussie prime time. :/

Hmmm, I always thought the dangerous portion of Vael's damage was fire, especially when flame breath (name?) stacks up to do 4.5k per tick on top of its 4.5k per cast. It was usually spikes that killed our tanks on our very early tries, rather than a steady increase in melee damage. I may be wrong though since we didn't actually parse any combat logs, just looked over his abilities, their damage and their frequency.

Kinda off topic, but I guess this thread is pretty narrow and it's all been covered.

My guild just had our first night working on Huhuran. I'm confused on one thing though, aren't the tanks also considered part of the NR soak group?

I mean, they're going to be in close melee range so they'll take the poison volley right? Is it just that the MT will need boatloads of extra healing because he doesn't have max NR?

Our general rule of thumb for tanks is to wear only good NR, which pretty much means the purple stuff out of AQ40, and the Craftable NR blues, as well as the legs from the Calling. Everything else is best tank gear for the slot. If I simply get stacked too high and she's not coming off me, I use a Limited Invul Pot to turn her over to the next tank.

I always followed the same approach on Vael, FR usually in the 200-250 range (thankfully, most of the Might and Wrath I was wearing at the time had FR on it, so got the best of both worlds). Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I wore my regular tanking gear except for Dark Iron Helm, Legs and Gloves. Those tossed in with a Shaman totem, and FR was fine for Vael. The big thing with him was that, unlike Ony, his fire breath was partially resistable, with Ony it always seemed like an all or nothing deal. Other than that, we have the group shaman drop Windfury for the tanks (since our rage gen is a little gimped from NR gear) and Nature Resist totem at 30%. Haven't had a tank die on her in months.

That's exactly what I thought as well. When we were learning Vael way back when, I chose to take the max FR route and a fellow tank chose a mix, usually topping at around 240ish FR. He would generally die prematurely and I convinced him to try out max FR and it seemed like the healers had an easier time dealing with the damage.

From what I gathered, Vaelastrasz melees fairly slowly. Since his Cleave cannot crit, Improved Shield Block generally would last two hits from Vaelastrasz making critical auto hits from him a much smaller factor. Also, Stoneshield pots would help offset Cleave/auto-attack damage while the FR would help offset DoT/Nova damage.

Huhuran's a different story of course. Her attack speed while Frenzied/Berserked is ridiculously fast.

Well the tanks are also the focus of the majority of the heals, so it's ok if they eat a little bit extra damage and if you're bouncing her between tanks, they actually *need* to. Sometimes it's really hard to generate enough rage to pull her off another tank, autoswing rage gen alone won't do it in NR gear, so taking some poison damage actually helps.

No. Myself and my OT stand outside the hitbox and outside the 15. I wear one or two bits of Epic NR, most of her damage is melee as previously noted. We are handy backups when the sponge start dying, but we aren't part of it intentionally.

We put our two tanks into soak groups, however the MTs wear considerably less NR (for the reasons outlined above).

If you use a PoH strategy, the tanking Warriors will be getting PoH heals on top of direct heals. Also, setting up a Shield Wall rotation makes the Poison Volley damage on the tanks trivial.

You can definitely count your warriors as part of the 15 frontliners, but as several have mentioned, NR comes second to physical mitigation. Your two tanks (or however many you use) should be catching more than enough heals to reduce the poison bolts to a minor issue anyway.