We aim for 100+ buffed on every person in the raid. Also, we didn't had no deaths Thadd kills yet, we have 2-3 dead people every kill.

If we ever got a 40 man Thaddius kill, it'd probably be 4 minutes, but when you invariably lose 2-4 people within the first two transitions, you get used to 4:30+. :/

we are so backwards compared to most here, it seems.

Our dps is usually excellent on Loatheb and we have never used world buffs. We then take the same group straight to Thaddius after killing loatheb, and kills are 4:30+, sometimes in the 4:59 neighborhood ;-)

edit: we have most everyone in 150 NR for Thaddius.

As an add on to this question, how many healers do you run with vs. dps in a raid of 40.

Please note if you are alliance or horde with this response, and to be honest I'm much more interested in horde.

I'll start. We do a lot of these boses with as many as 16 healers (7-8 priest, 3 druids, 5-6 shamn). That only leaves 24 dps classes. Is this enough for consistently taking down lotheb? I ask because on days we are sometimes short healers and run with 14, it always seems we do better...

This is probably the reason, we almost always have 40 people up because when we were learning the fight we had a non prot tank, so it was crucial that every single person made the jump and stayed alive (these kills were all 5:10 with 40 alive), you get hammerred pretty bad on vent/in gchat if you don't make it through phase 2. Now we use a prot tank with a thunderfury (and we're alliance) and aggro is just a non issue, even for the fire mages.

We pretty much try to take as few healers as possible on any given fight. For Patchwerk we usually aim for 15-16, since DPS isn't a concern at this point, but we've done it with 14 too (ugly kill, though). For Loatheb, 13-14 is what we aim for. Thaddius, I have no idea, we seem to just use whatever we had for Gluth most of the time healing-wise. For Gothik, it's 15-16 healers, but that's because ideally we have lots of priests (shackles are good!). 14-16 tends to be the general number, though, tending down for more DPS intensive and up for more healing intensive fights.

We're alliance, btw.

Hot damn, you guys were THAT close? We got lucky to get the server first, then. O_o

We do Patchwerk in about 5:45 or so with a 16-healer raid, and Thaddius with 4:45ish. (Never had an optimized kill - there's *always* a bunch disconnecting mid-fight; yay Oceanic!)

Loatheb first kill last week was 5:07, with ZG buff, flasks, and Chimaerok Chops on everyone (bad idea in hindsight, but oh well). 14 healers, 7 mages, 5 rogues, a handful of furies, one packing nightfall.

We actually went to grab the Onyxia buff, but someone was doing the quest chain, and some wanker bugged Katrana Prestor by talking to her after she morphs into Onyxia. We sat in Stormwind watching our flask and ZG timers ticking off for a good 30 minutes :(

Edit: non-buffed but flasked run, for consumable rotation, before that was a 6% wipe.

Is this legit? I completely understand the desire to avoid the loss of the hour worth of buffing you did, but gates close for a reason and I have a hard time believing that forcing a boss through a gate via repositioning to cause a reset is an "intended mechanic"

we generally clear dk, abom, and spider on tuesdays, and do noth-heigan on wednesday before zoning out for world buffs which we use to kill loatheb-sapph-kel. it's worth it.

as for the rest of the topic of the thread - i think our patch kills generally clock in around 5 minutes. we average a little over 4 on thaddius, and we once actually killed him in something like 3:45, which had one of our recent apps completely awestruck. heh. loatheb we take down in something like 4:20 i believe - i haven't used a third shadow pot on that fight in months.