So a DW shaman gear up with +damage... and DW 2 of these green weapons:

Pulse Dagger
One Hand Dagger
52-98 Arcane Damage Speed 1.30
57.7 dps
Requires Lvl 66
Equip: Improves Haste Rating by 21
Equip: Increases damage done by Arcane spells and effects up to 23.


Anyone tried it?

That 'Green' Dagger is available of a vendor with a limited supply restocked about every 5 minutes; You can pick it up in Netherstorm at Stormspire. Look for the Exotic Weapons Dealer in the back.

This guy tried it on his mage:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...64979726516521

That's what made me think about a DW shaman that was Elem, pulling his old +dmg out again and DWing these... Also wonder if they crit based on Spell or Melee crit.

Wow, if this is not an error, and more a trend of things to come, then it adds a whole new dimension to gear selection for the likes of paladins and shamans.

Are crit/hit based on melee or spell values.
Does attack power increase the dps.
Can it be blocked etc, or does it get resisted.
What happens if you silence the mage, can they still melee with it
How does +dmg work. Is the weapon speed treated like a casting time.


I just hope there are a few nice 'Holy Damage' weapons on the horizon. Ashbringer perhaps.

If this isn't an error game balance just went out the window entirely, since I have trouble hitting that hard with a twinked 60 warrior with an OEB. There have been some weapons like this in the past (the original Thunderfury) and every single one of them has been changed to not allow +dmg. There would be no point for any hybrid class to collect actual melee gear, +dmg would be the single set to rule them all.

Wow that's hot. I have to agree with Nite_Moogle, though. I wonder if just plain terrible spell damage coefficients would suffice, as opposed to eliminating the scaling outright.

Lupos was a pet that dealed shadow damage instead of phisical, they nerfed him back to phisical. Lupos pre-nerf, ignored your Armor you mitigated his damage through Shadow Resist >.>;

My hunter was BM spec and had this pup pre nerf... i duelled a warrior with a Untamed Blade, and full T1, (granted its not that great gearbut) then i told the warrior to duel my pet only, i sic it on him, went AFK and my pet won.

Balance will be out the window when a shaman DW these in +dmg gear with WF on both of them.

If that stays like this.. i'm renaming my character Arcaneblender >.>;

Or they could actively attempt to balance it instead of throwing the concept out the window. It would fix an itemization issues for Paladins and Shaman.

Better resolution can be found here


http://files.filefront.com/MageBetaD.../fileinfo.html

And we'd stop rolling on hunter gear or rogue's trinkets... would be good to be able to not feel too gimp of 50% of what we can do based on gear.

I don't think that removing the desire to get any and all melee stats in favor of pure +dmg which then becomes friendly to everything those classes do is what I'd call an itemization fix so much as an itemization cop-out. I wouldn't mind seeing +dmg or even +heal have some effect on melee, but it doesn't need to be the defining stat for both melee and casting.

It isn't that bad for rogues either. Weapon specials while mainhanding this did elemental damage as well, which means no armor reduction for ambushes, backstabs and such.

I did quick tests with Talbuk Thorngrazers, level ~65 mobs in Nagrand, and Pulse Dagger's ambush crits were above 1700, while with Perdition's Blade they were mostly in range of 1100-1200.

If they only added similar dagger with proper speed like 1.90... :o

I don't think it would be a itemization cop out, more like allowing hybrids to be...hybrids for once as odd as it sounds.

But if they really wanted that they would have had a different ilvl system for hybrids, so this is prob just a bug.

Then again, with the recent nurturing instinct change to a straight str to healing talent, anything is possible I guess.

How do you know this isn't a PVE itemization route and these aren't WoW's version of bane weapons? Think about it: why would they put such a (relatively) good weapon on a vendor with a 30 second respawn? This opens up a whole world of PVE possibilities.

Casters aren't likely to find cloth +attack power, +crit, +hit (melee hit) gear, so I don't think there's much to worry about.

Seems to me that they're trying to give us an alternative to a wand. It would certainly make Firestones useful...

Finally.

An item like this doesn't open up exciting new possibilities for Shaman/Paladin.

Instead, everyone just loads up on +dmg gear since it has a greater DPS increase than any other stat. I don't have the ilvl formula in front of me. But assuming it's like every other item that received a bonus from +dmg (Thunderfury, Cloak of Flame, Lifestealing, the Priest BWL trinket, etc) and got the full bonus each time it hit, then loading up on +dmg gear is just a better plan than using silly stats like agility or attack power.

They nerfed all 1H caster weapons to main-hand only specifically to cockblock DW Shaman. I highly doubt this dagger is remotely intended to do what it's doing, especially for a vendor-bought item.

Killer shiv OH. I'd love to DW these and rip into some cocky 8/9 DN warrior with a nicely timed adrenaline rush. Though, the more I think about it, the harder time I have believing this will go live. As I understand it there are a ton of items currently in beta which have no chance of going live, this is probably just another one of those things that blizz threw in to play around with. Green, vendor bought, (5) minute refresh? No way is that going live.

So, does wielding one these as a warrior turn ALL of your damage into elemental damage? That would be pretty good if white hits still generated rage.

BTW, looks like ~60% of spell power gets applied per hit. The guy in the video has 604 spell power + ToEP(175) + AP.

1.3*(75 + X) = 720
X = 478.84
X/759 = 63%

Much better stat -> dps converstion than anything else really. Only need 1.5 +damage to get the equivilant of 14 AP.

Probably not as a vendor-bought item, nor with a 100% spell-damage coefficient, but if they scale it back, and make it require some more effort to get (instance drop, elite quest reward, etc), it could go in. I'm always in favor of interesting new mechanics to explore, even if they don't turn out how we expect.

Bane weapons..... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

On a serious note it looks like something pretty interesting to try out.

Hahahah!

If this makes it to live, than rogues will have a valid need to roll on Oomkin gear with +arcane/+spell damage on it.

Payback's a-comin' for every stolen piece of Shadowcraft ever.