We killed faerlina some days ago for our first time and came up with a interesting strategy i want to share.
We offtanked the both charge guys the whole fight back in the room with only one warrior while zerging faerlina to nuts.
We silenced her right from the start and then another silence right after first enrage. Some normal nature prot potions can really help for the poison nova.
We used her other two adds for the next minute to get her out of enrage and killed her in ~2:50 i think.
A big point is that when you silence her while not enraged, the enrage will be delayed by ~30 seconds only, not 60.
Timeline (time in seconds):
0 - Fight starts
10 - first silence
~60 - second silence after first enrage
90 - third silence
~ 120 - fourth silence after second enrage
now you have 60seconds + maybe shieldwall to kill her
DPS has to do a lot of running cause the silence only stops the poison nova.
We only got 4 pallies and 4 dudus that day so dispell would have been very hard without help.
Whats your strategy? We had a hard time dispelling the poison, any tipps?
Kill followers, nuke faerlina. MC one worshipper before first enrage, when she enrages sacrifice. Make sure everyone have GNPPs. Move out of rain of fire.
Its not like this fight requires tons of theorycrafting...
I'd agree, i dont really see what this thread is going to bring in thats new. Havent we had like 2 threads on this already, when she was first being worked on?
edit- that being said, we silence early on all enrages and just nuke her down. You'll probably struggle to kill her that fast with everyone in t2 though.
I just looked through our Faerlina kills, and we had only 8 depoisoners (1 druid/7 shamans to 3 druids/5 shamans or more) on several kills as well, never heard of/noticed a bigger problem with that - isn't Faerlina's Poison Bolt Volley just like Huhuran's, so only 15 people get hit?
And, concerning strategy, we use to sacrifice one Worshipper right at the beginning, but wait for the enrage for the next sacrifices. Make sure your healers are on track and the tank uses Shieldblock when she enrages (her Crushing Blows are evil), and you should be fine. Use GNPPs, have the DPS go all out and just kill her as fast as possible. You may want to get your DPS to a level where you're not dependant on the last sacrifice, we once had the mindcontrol breaking on the last add, and things went kinda ugly, though our healers managed to heal me through enrage long enough to burn her down.
Yeah, even though the theoretical limit of the fight is 5 minutes, doing it that way is frought with danger. Guilds who are here are probably also looking at Noth and not terribly far from Patchwerk, so you should work a strategy that counts on higher total DPS. 4 minutes at most, really, and if you can get it down to 3:30, you can pop the early Worshipper right at the pull to help lock things down.
does everyone kill the two worshippers to start or warrior offtanks? I thought the worshippers bounce around and drop aggro, so how does a warr tank them? We kill the worshippers to start, i guess it would be nice to save the ~15-20 secs if we could just offtank them.
does everyone kill the two worshippers to start or warrior offtanks? I thought the worshippers bounce around and drop aggro, so how does a warr tank them? We kill the worshippers to start, i guess it would be nice to save the ~15-20 secs if we could just offtank them.
We offtank them with one def warrior and start damage at Faerlina 5 seconds after MT enters combat.
Thats what i meant, there are different ways to do stuff and some of you may do strats that sound crazy but work out perfectly.
As a casual raid ally we are not able to pot like hell so we need to find alternative strats that fit our needs, like we always do.
Faerlina does massive damage, we found it better to get rid of her as fast as we can. But that depends on the raid.
does everyone kill the two worshippers to start or warrior offtanks? I thought the worshippers bounce around and drop aggro, so how does a warr tank them? We kill the worshippers to start, i guess it would be nice to save the ~15-20 secs if we could just offtank them.
We have our dps-warriors "tank" them for few seconds and try to kill them asap to release these flurrying dps-monsters on Faerlina... This also leaves our MT few seconds to build up some threat lead to keep her under control with dps going all out for the next few minutes.
Zork, one offtank can tank both of them? Do they drop aggro at all? Where does he tank them in relation to the casters?
We are in a similar boat, only in Naxx two days a week (8 hours total), and looking for ways to improve kill times. We've killed Faerlina twice, spent 8 hours on Maexxna and are probably switching to Noth.
I really don't see why you'd ever not want to kill the followers first. You could try to offtank them, but there's no reason not to kill them first and give your tank a massive threat headstart over any of the other DPSers. After the followers die, the only thing I've ever seen pull Faerlina was ignite chains.
It's been a while since i actually healed on Faerlina, because of our normal MCer missing the early parts of some raids i've been doing it the last month or so. But when we were learning it (a week after naxx came out, i know it's been patched since then, but i dont know if this has been effected) the majority of the dmg from the poison was the initial dmg, so we wouldn't worry that much about cleansing it, one Gheal or equivilant would cover the person, and was probably quicker, because you have to heal the person even after you cleanse them.
And yeah, we kill the followers first, blow the first MC while the dps is running into Faerlina for the first time. I'm pretty sure we dont pot for it, only person who might want to is the MCing priest with a fire pot (i dont, just stack FR gear and pre-shield before MCing), other than that, following the OPs description of MCing, you wont take many poison volleys until the last half a minute, where there is only one tank and the healing is a breeze.
5second is enough if your MT is good.
Well i dont know if your 2. MT can handle both adds...just give it a try, the charge does not reset aggro. Both adds come back after the charge, just have 2 hunters pull them to the 2. MT.
Hmm the point with the poison nova is interesting, can anyone link the spell?
Normal nature pots are cheap, I personally encourage people to use them for the pull. Faerlina seems very flexible in terms of your raid DPS - while you can't sustain healing through enrage; it's by no means a game over situation, you can probably heal through it for a good minute without pots. Coming from that, I don't really understand how offtanking followers is better than just killing them - it's 10 maybe 15 seconds tops of DPS lost on in my opinion not a DPS stress encounter for an extra element of complexity.
But to each his own I guess, every guild will come up with their own intangible quirk to almost every encounter and they're probably going to keep doing it that way forever. I know we do.
We completely brute force Faerlina, we offtank her adds the entire fight, keep her silenced the entire fight and she dies before we run out of sacrifies.
I really don't see why you wouldn't kill the followers first. They have very little hp and do quite a bit of damage. Being stunnable also makes it trivial to control them for then 10-15 seconds it takes us to burn them down.
I really don't see why you wouldn't kill the followers first. They have very little hp and do quite a bit of damage. Being stunnable also makes it trivial to control them for then 10-15 seconds it takes us to burn them down.
We've killed her both ways. We have been tanking the followers for a couple of months after killing the followers on kills for our first 4-6 kills. I would say that neither method seems significantly easier. It was simply that tanking adds was more consistent for us.
Killing the followers will take 20-30 seconds (possibly more when you are first trying her in tier 2). They have a combined total of 200,000 health. Remember, your rogues are probably stunlocking the followers to prevent silences, and everyone has to switch targets, which will cut into DPS a bit. a 10-15 second kill of the followers would require 13k-20k DPS.
We tank both followers in the very back of the room away from most everyone. DPS immediately goes in on Faerlina, and usually burns her down in 2 to 2-1/2 minutes after the start of the pull. That means we can use silences immediately, at 1 minute, at 2 minutes, and usually just pop the last one after she dies. It ends up not being a significant hassle to keep the followers off of everyone, and burning down Faerlina as quickly as possible seems like the safest way to go.
Something I think a few of you forgot to mention is that the followers have an annoying silence ability and to totally screw you over, so it's much better just to kill them. We position our MT healers behind Faerlina and have the room pretty much occupied.
As somebody mentioned, giving the tank a head start on aggro works very well coz it means dps goes all out for the rest of the fight. My guild has only recently killed Faerlina also, but we found that silencing after the pull is effective because it stops deaths early and allows time for everyone to kill followers and position themselves before the poison volleys start.
We learned the fight where we just offtanked the followers in the begging because the way we looked at it was that it only took 3 people to lock down the two adds for the entire fight (2 healers and a tank). By offtanking them we had more time to burn down Fearlina back when her RoF had a stupidly large radius so it was a fight even more a race against time.
11/13/06, 4:26 AM
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