Elitist Jerks Questions about dots/hots in 2.0.1

11/16/06, 4:17 PM   #1
Bver
Glass Joe

Illidan
 HoTs, DoTs, and channeled spells have been re balanced to receive a more appropriate (higher) percentage of +spell damage and +healing.
Does anyone know off hand the % increase of +dmg and +heal applied to DoTs and HoTs??

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 11/16/06, 5:04 PM #2 • Chicken       Upsidazi Gnome Monk   No WoW Account (EU) A quick rule of the thumb for figuring out is that the base point for HoTs/DoTs are at 15 seconds for a 100% bonus. Than just fit into this formula to get the coefficient: Coefficient = (Length Before Talents / 15) That's accurate for the majority of DoTs/HoTs, though there'll be a few exceptions. Currently this same formula is used, but unlike now the coefficient cap of 1 is being removed.
 11/17/06, 1:50 AM #3 Boevis Bald Bull     Ex-Boevis Tauren Druid   Lightbringer Are we 100% positive it's not Tics before Talents/5? Currently Insect Swarm is getting 6/5 (or 100% due to the cap) and not 12/15 (80%)
11/17/06, 5:49 AM   #4
• Chicken

Upsidazi
Gnome Monk

No WoW Account (EU)
 Originally Posted by Boevis Are we 100% positive it's not Tics before Talents/5? Currently Insect Swarm is getting 6/5 (or 100% due to the cap) and not 12/15 (80%)
It could be tick based, but I've always assumed it was based on length. On the other hand, the vast majority of over time effects are every 3 seconds so that makes it an easy assumption to make.
It could just be individually decided based on both, the new coefficients of Curse of Doom (4, 60/15) and Agony (1.6, 24/15) point to it being time based, but Insect Swarm shows the opposite.

Perhaps it's time based on over time effects of 15 seconds or longer, and tick based on effects shorter than 15 seconds? Or Insect Swarm (Or CoD/A depending on your point of view) is an exception to the rule.

 11/17/06, 10:12 AM #5 Krpyton Von Kaiser   Krpyton Murloc Warlock
 11/17/06, 10:20 AM #6 Apate POWER = MEAT + OPPORTUNITY = BATTLEWORMS     ChickenArise Night Elf Warlock   No WoW Account http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=9287 http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=8986 those appear to have some relevance here. See you, auntie.
 11/17/06, 10:28 AM #7 Artaxz Piston Honda   Chetviartaxz Blood Elf Paladin   Mug'thol I do not see how it will be possible to test 40 debuffs with the current blizzard UI limitations save for getting a 40 player raid together.
11/17/06, 10:44 AM   #8
frmorrison
Protector

Ashstrike

No WoW Account
 Originally Posted by Artaxz I do not see how it will be possible to test 40 debuffs.
It is easy to test (and it has already been done). Just get 4 Affliction Locks (each has 5 debuffs) and use Curse of Doom on the guys in BL. If all of them don't go off after a minute, then the 16 limit is still there (which it is on the PTR).

 11/17/06, 11:12 AM #9 Maels Don Flamenco     Maels Orc Warlock   Dethecus So this screenshot with 20 debuffs is merely graphical? I have no idea what to believe and am still pending character transfer. :\/
 11/17/06, 11:18 AM #10 javelin Von Kaiser     Brandstifter Orc Death Knight   Bloodhoof That would be great news if it's been instituted! Say, has anybody got any information on how Blizzard is recalculating AoE spells? I keep hearing that they've put in returns ond damage as inversely proportional to the number of hostile targest affected by the AoE after a certain static number. Anybody have the chance to test it? I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should chellenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.--Mark Twain
11/17/06, 11:21 AM   #11
Krpyton
Von Kaiser

Murloc Warlock

Khaz'goroth (EU)
 Originally Posted by Maels I have no idea what to believe and am still pending character transfer. :\/
Me too =( I guess this change affects warlocks the most,since a good portion(guesstimates put it at 40%) of our dps depends on it.Will be horrid if they introduced the yummy affliction talents like soul siphon which encourages more dots but not giving us the mechanics to use it.

On the plus side of things the threat redux to mages,rage normalization(which according to wow.com's warrior forums is a nerf),nerf to decursive and downranking heals should be compensated by adding more debuff slots.

On the other hand we have adding 40 debuff slots will mean that alot of dps fights like Loatheb,Patch,Thaddius etc will be seriously trivialised by those additional slots.Man,I can't imagine corr+siphon life+immolate+UA along with Misery and shadow vulnerability;fun fun.

Seriously going to cry me a river if they are not increasing the slots.

 Elitist Jerks Questions about dots/hots in 2.0.1