cba to find out how I stretch the combat log, so two pictures:




Note how they overlap abit, so you can see it's legit, clearly shows a miss while having reck.

Which ofc isn't news, but you asked for it ^^

Except we're not talking about dodged attacks, we're talking about missed ones. There's a difference.

Besides.. Lightning Shield / Healing Wave = Shaman :P

tried it today. these are the results with zero to hit. which sort of support my theory that once you go over 100 crit you begin missing.

No, you aren't missing anything (at least for white attacks).

FAME, I have no idea what you're trying to say: are you implying that high crit rates somehow change your miss rate? Because my Loatheb data implies exactly the opposite: I miss roughly the expected number of swings, whether spore buff is up or not.

i think crit overrides misses up until you get 100% to crit, past 100% it gets odd and you begin missing again

For FAME's benefit:
It is known that for white hits, the table goes like:
Dodge/Parry/Block (unremovable, except for positioning on Parry/Block). Miss -> Hit. Hit -> Crit.

As in, every +hit you get, will remove a Miss chance on the table. Every +crit you get, will remove a Hit chance on the table (and increase it's relevant stat, as well)

So increase +crit by more than 100%?

That removes all Hit from the table (overrides). Seeing a player can't Dodge/Parry/Block from behind, all you can do is Miss. Seeing Crit doesn't effect your Miss rate, all you will do is Crit and Miss.

This is common knowledge for white attacks.

The table, and effects on Yellow attacks, are still not confirmed. (There is discussion currently going on, over at this thread.

And just quietly, to answer your friends questions about Cold Blood missing. Remember, what I said earlier, +crit knocks Hit off the table. It does nothing to Miss/Dodge/Parry.
http://thottbot.com/?sp=14177 is the Cold Blood entry. Notice it does nothing to your Hit chance, so that means, you can still Miss/Dodge/Parry with it. IFF they changed Cold Blood to also increase your Hit chance by 100% (like they did with Felstriker), then they would remove the chance for it to be a Miss, but Dodge/Parry will still always be there.

edit: Wait, you're offhanding TF?... dude... :/

edit2: How many white swings did you take in that whole fight?
I ask because if you have any where near ~240 swings (white only), then the numbers match up perfectly. ~11% of 240 is ~20 misses.

Crit does not override miss. Get the -50% hit debuff from Kurinaxx and try blowing Recklessness. I agree with the conclusion that sufficient amounts of +crit can push normal hits off the table.

Well, looks like I've been proven wrong and my four tests with zero misses were just dumb luck. I humbly concede defeat and now I'll back out of the thread. :)

lol didnt mean to prove you wrong or nothing, just went in trying to see how it will turn out and those were the results.

There is no way that any wrap-around crap is in effect. There is a high miss chance under Kuri's debuff and the fact that I used Recklessness did not affect my hit rate. Crit has no effect on miss chance, and it is most probable that it pushes normal hits off the table instead.