DW Fury Warrior - Slow vs. Fast OH dilemma

Arthea · 11/27/06, 6:24 PM

I guess you can consider me as noob Fury warrior. I'm trying to learn more about Fury mechanics, and I'm struggling on finding the "good" weapon speed for OH to maximize DPS. What I'm trying to figure out is Slow OH (better usage of Flurry) vs. Fast OH (more Flurry) dilemma.

Currently I have around 1100 AP, about 9% to hit & 11% crit (gears).

Right now I'm using Hatchet of Sunder Bone as MH. For OH, the only choices I have are:

Perdition's Blade (1.8 speed, 58.3 DPS)
Deathbringer (2.9 speed, 56 DPS)
Sand Polished Hammer (2.6 speed, 53.5 DPS)

Obviously Perdition sucks as OH, but it's the higest DPS.

I've played around with different OH. Once again, it's slow OH vs. fast OH dilemma. Recently I went with slow OH so I can get more Flurry off MH weapon. However, just last night when I went vs. Patchwerk (where we screwed up and wiped many times), I got to test weapons out, and found Perdition's Blade (faster OH) give me a lot more overall DPS than using Sand Polished Hammer (slower OH) purely b/c I can get more continuos Flurry.

Anyone ever played around with OH speed? Find anything interesting?

krucifix85 · 11/27/06, 6:26 PM

There is an excel spreadsheet calculator which can answer that for you. I'm sure the Threads of Significance should hold it.

Also, fill out your profile

Cire · 11/27/06, 6:47 PM

Hehe... wonder how many times this has been reported :P

..and the spreadsheet that is referenced in the above post is awesome. It will answer all of your questions.

Kaide · 11/27/06, 7:05 PM

What about Crul'shorukh, Edge of Chaos from Nef? 101 - 188 Damage 62.8dps 2.3 speed.

Jekar · 11/27/06, 7:08 PM

Has anyone started the discussion on fast vs. slow tanking weapons yet? That is an area that is going to change due to Devastate and the to-date non-normalized 50% weapon damage. Since the aggro from each devastate is going to be a static amount based on the number of sunders on the target + that weapon damage, slow weapons are going to gain significant value for tanking due to that ability.

I've been gone for a week, anyone know if this has made it into a thread yet?

krucifix85 · 11/27/06, 7:11 PM

No thread, but wouldn't that be common sense? (As long as it remains non-normalised)

Tiburon11 · 11/27/06, 7:16 PM

The only advantage of a faster offhand is more consistent rage generation.

krucifix85 · 11/27/06, 7:19 PM

When tanking, I'm sure most of your rage comes from the boss slapping you upside...

Chaotik · 11/27/06, 7:21 PM

slow MH fast OH , makes for a better rotation and rage generation

Elerion · 11/27/06, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by krucifix85

When tanking, I'm sure most of your rage comes from the boss slapping you upside...

When tanking, I'm sure he doesn't use an offhand.

He was replying to the OP.

Jekar · 11/27/06, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by krucifix85

No thread, but wouldn't that be common sense? (As long as it remains non-normalised)

It's the kind of common sense that doesn't make it through the community very quickly because it requires a conclusion based on understanding of how the new mechanic changes aggro per second, and aggro per rage point. And it's also balanced out by the fact that if you are in a fight that is truly unlimited rage due to incoming damage, then the faster weapon is going to generate more aggro from Heroic Strikes.

This thread should probably die though, I'll wait for a tanking or threat thread our tack this on to the Warrior Talent thread.

Ultramax · 11/27/06, 7:34 PM

Originally Posted by krucifix85

No thread, but wouldn't that be common sense? (As long as it remains non-normalised)

http://www.thottbot.com/beta?sp=30022

It's always been normalized.

krucifix85 · 11/27/06, 7:35 PM

Originally Posted by Elerion

Originally Posted by krucifix85

When tanking, I'm sure most of your rage comes from the boss slapping you upside...

When tanking, I'm sure he doesn't use an offhand.

He was replying to the OP.

Sorry
And sorry to above as well.
:( When it rains, it pours.

Emth · 11/28/06, 4:23 AM

Originally Posted by Arthea

I guess you can consider me as noob Fury warrior. I'm trying to learn more about Fury mechanics, and I'm struggling on finding the "good" weapon speed for OH to maximize DPS. What I'm trying to figure out is Slow OH (better usage of Flurry) vs. Fast OH (more Flurry) dilemma.

Currently I have around 1100 AP, about 9% to hit & 11% crit (gears).

Right now I'm using Hatchet of Sunder Bone as MH. For OH, the only choices I have are:

Perdition's Blade (1.8 speed, 58.3 DPS)
Deathbringer (2.9 speed, 56 DPS)
Sand Polished Hammer (2.6 speed, 53.5 DPS)

Obviously Perdition sucks as OH, but it's the higest DPS.

I've played around with different OH. Once again, it's slow OH vs. fast OH dilemma. Recently I went with slow OH so I can get more Flurry off MH weapon. However, just last night when I went vs. Patchwerk (where we screwed up and wiped many times), I got to test weapons out, and found Perdition's Blade (faster OH) give me a lot more overall DPS than using Sand Polished Hammer (slower OH) purely b/c I can get more continuos Flurry.

Anyone ever played around with OH speed? Find anything interesting?

Why isn't Brutality Blade an option? It's statistically the best OH before Pugio if you aren't an Orc and don't have DW spec. If you do have DW spec its only 3 dps behind Crul. Faster OH creates more dodges (overpower) and provides more consistant rage generation (as already stated). There are no significant advantages to a slow OH.

Varg · 11/28/06, 5:24 AM

Flurry benefits more from a slow offhand, not sure how to word it, but I'll try.
We know that flurry doesn't care about weapon speed if only looking at white damage, but the number of instant attacks in a given timeframe is limited by cooldowns, hence a static value, and they all trigger flurry, with a slow offhand you'll eat less flurry charges overall.
Got no math on how much difference it makes tho.