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Old 11/28/06, 12:51 PM   #1
Elendril
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Given the plethora of new reputations in the expansion and the many different rewards they offer, I figured having a central thread for people to look to for information and discuss would be better than digging through the various Q&A/TBC info threads for bits and pieces. I'll update the initial post with more information as it becomes available.

The Aldor: Draenai faction in Shattrath. Competing reputation gains/losses with The Scryers.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=932

Highlights: Shoulder enchants, Melee DPS sword,

Reputation Gains: Quests, Marks of Kil'jaedan (to honored), Marks of Sargeras, Fel Armaments


The Scryers: Blood Elf faction in Shattrath. Competing reputation gains/losses with The Aldor

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=934

Highlights: Melee dagger, caster DPS ring, shoulder enchants (crit heavy)

Reputation Gains: Quests, Firewing Signet (to honored), Sunfury Signet, Arcane Tomes


Cenarion Expedition: Cenarion Circle: Outland Edition. Based in Xangarmarsh.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=942

Highlights: Uber Feral Mace, DPS caster ring, Healer Offhand, Design: Nightseye Panther, 37 DPS arrows, 34 AP/16 hit rating head enchant, Coilfang Key

Reputation Gains: Quests, Coilfang Reservoir instances (to honored, then only Steam Vaults), Unidentified Plant Parts (to honored), Coilfang Armaments


The Consortium: Ethereal Faction based in Stormspire.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=933

Highlights: Melee DPS dagger, Melee DPS neck, decent gun/ammo pouch

Reputation Gains: Quests, Mana Tombs, Obsidian War Beads


Honor Hold: Alliance faction in Hellfire Peninsula.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=946

Highlights: DPS caster sword, tank sword, hunter gun, healing/mp5 head enchant, superior healing enchant, Flamewrought Key

Reputation Gains: Quests, Hellfire Citadel instances (to honored, then only shattered halls)



Thrallmar: Horde faction in Hellfire Peninsula

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=947

Reputation Gains: Quests, Hellfire Citadel instances, (to honored, then only shattered halls)

Highlights: Hunter bow, DPS caster sword, tank axe, healing/mp5 head enchant, superior healing enchant, Flamewrought Key


Kurenai: Alliance faction in Nagrand. Alliance source of Talbuk mounts.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=978

Highlights: Talbuk mounts, 2 hand DPS mace

Reputation Gains: Quests, Nagrand Ogres, Obsidian War Beads


Mag'har: Horde faction in Nagrand. Horde source of Talbuk mounts.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=941

Highlights: Talbuk mounts, 2 hand DPS axe

Reputation Gains: Quests, Nagrand Ogres, Obsidian War Beads


The Sha'tar: Naaru faction in Shattrath.

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=935

Highlights: Healing mace, tank shield, dps caster trinket, dps caster head enchant, alchemist stone pattern, drums of battle pattern, Warpforged Key

Reputation Gains: Quests, Tempest Keep Instances


Sporregar: Weird spore dude faction in Zangarmarsh

Items: http://thottbot.com/beta?fa=970

Highlights: threat reduction potion pattern

Reputation Gains: Quests, Bog Lords, Bog Lord Tendrils

Keepers of Time: Caverns of Time faction

Items:

At Honored:
Formula: Enchant Gloves - Major Spellpower (360 enchanting) - 20 spell damage to gloves
Formula: Enchant Ring - Spellpower (360 enchanting) - 12 spell damage to a ring
Glyph of Frost Warding - 20 Frost Resistance to head slot item

At Revered:
Key of Time - allows access to heroic difficulty for Caverns of Time dungeons
Glyph of the Defender - 16 defense rating & 17 dodge rating to a head slot item
Continuum Blade - Mainhand Sword (rare) - 41.4 dps, +30 stamina, +11 Intellect, Equip: +8 spell hit rating, Equip: 121 damage and healing
Timewarden's Leggings - Plate Legs (rare) - 1019 Armor, +69 stamina, Red/Yellow/Blue sockets (+6 block value socket bonus), +26 defense rating, +19 dodge rating

At Exalted:
Pattern: Drums of Panic (370 Leatherworking) - causes 5 enemies to flee in terror for 2 seconds, 30 charges
Riftmaker - One handed Dagger (epic) - 120-180 Damage, 1.90 speed (78.9 DPS), +21 Agility, Equip: +20 attack power, Chance on hit: Encloses enemy in a temporal rift increasing the time between attacks by 10% for 10 seconds
Timelapse Shard - Trinket (epic) - 25 stamina, Equip: +23 resilience rating, Use: Reduces your threat to enemy targets within 30 yards, making them less likely to attack you.
Binding of the Timewalker - Cloth Wrist (epic) - 71 Armor, +22 Stamina, 11 Intellect, Equip: +62 healin

Reputation Gains: Caverns of Time quests

Lower City

Rewards: healing trinket, polearm, DPS caster mace, feral/rogue ring, Aucheanai Key

Rep: Quests, Auchindoun instances (except mana tombs - only Shadow Lab at revered), Arrakoa Feathers (to honored)

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Old 11/28/06, 12:58 PM   #2
Feorthas
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I have to ask.... which of the two opposing factions (Scryers/Aldor) is easier to Rep up? If one is significantly easier/harder than the other, doing them in a certain order may be the way to go if one wants to get items from both in short order.

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Old 11/28/06, 1:02 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Feorthas
I have to ask.... which of the two opposing factions (Scryers/Aldor) is easier to Rep up? If one is significantly easier/harder than the other, doing them in a certain order may be the way to go if one wants to get items from both in short order.
i find i get WAY more marks of kaelthas than insignias of the burning legion, myself.

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Old 11/28/06, 1:03 PM   #4
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EDIT: I'm too slow - question answered :)

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Old 11/28/06, 1:07 PM   #5
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Scryer rep is much easier to get, BUT you probably want to end up as an Aldor at the end because the scryers have absolutely nothing worthwhile outside Shattrath City itself. The aldors have guards all over Terokkar Forest, as well as access tunnels into Shattrath from other zones that scryer-aligned players cannot use thanks to the aldor guards that port you on sight.

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Old 11/28/06, 1:50 PM   #6
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Coming from a dps warrior's perspective, I don't see myself grinding ANY of those factions. Aldor for for the blade and shoulder enchant, maybe Consortium for the dagger...but a lot of those rep rewards don't look worth the time. They need more options, unless exalted in TBC is a lot less effort than exalted currently.

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Old 11/28/06, 2:33 PM   #7
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It is a lot less effort for certain. Things will be a little weird though because I still see spawn competition being an issue for non-instance rep gains and frankly, few of the rewards are worth running the instances for only the rep. A few months down the road though it'll be quite easy to rep up alts for some decent gear of course but in the meantime, it's mostly crafters that will be really interested I assume. Of course, you'll probably want to run the instances anyhow so rep does come at least somewhat naturally on its own. It most certainly comes a lot faster than any of the live rep grinds.

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Old 11/28/06, 2:36 PM   #8
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It is somewhat less effort to get exalted - supposedly the revered step can be done in 5 man dungeons, which give somewhere between 6 to 15 reputation per kill and over 100 for a boss.

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Old 11/28/06, 2:37 PM   #9
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What's the current grind like for exalted with any of these? I recall that the design intent was that you could fairly rapidly shift from exalted with one to exalted with the others, does that hold true?

Edit - whoah, nevermind that, 2 people answered it as I was typing.

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Old 11/28/06, 2:41 PM   #10
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i believe i'm honored with aldor, honor hold, sha'tar, cenarion expedition, and kuranai pretty much just from questing to 70 and doing a few instances. i certainly haven't grinded any rep so far, and my playtime has been pretty minimal (and mostly spent in the arena!).

i don't have specific information on when or if you stop getting rep for instance mobs, but all of the lvl 70 instances seem to give rep with one of the factions (steam vaults = CE, shattered halls = honor hold/thrallmar, shadow labrynth = sha'tar - don't know about tempest keep instances atm)

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Old 11/28/06, 2:42 PM   #11
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Aldor Revered + CC Revered is all I am looking at getting in the Xpac so far.

The other reps I might look into for another peice of gear or two depending what can drop from an instance // given as a quest reward.

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Old 11/28/06, 2:50 PM   #12
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Grand Master Enchanting is in "Scryers Wing" of Shattrah and Grand Master Jewelcrafting in "Aldor Wing"

Does it mean an Enchanter has to support Scryers Faction if he wants to reach 375 in enchanting ?

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Old 11/28/06, 2:56 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Keljin
Grand Master Enchanting is in "Scryers Wing" of Shattrah and Grand Master Jewelcrafting in "Aldor Wing"

Does it mean an Enchanter has to support Scryers Faction if he wants to reach 375 in enchanting ?
Well, damn.

Are they associated with either of the two factions? If not then maybe one could stealth to them in order to unlock Grand Master Crafting Levels...

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Old 11/28/06, 3:02 PM   #14
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I was under the impression that there was no combat allowed in Shattrah; specificially that the other faction guards won't attack you.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:02 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Uziel
I was under the impression that there was no combat allowed in Shattrah; specificially that the other faction guards won't attack you.
When they "attack" you they cast a banish spell that freezes you and after a few seconds teleports you out of town.

Only certain guards will aggro like this however... for example if you're hated by the Aldor the Aldor army in the middle ring and most of the other Aldor NPC's will appear red and hostile but won't attack you while the guards covering the lifts and Inn and such will.

And yes, the Enchanting and JC vendors in the faction areas are tagged with their respective factions so you can't talk to them unless you are at least neutral with that faction.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:03 PM   #16
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I don't remember if they are tagged with one of the faction or not, but there are tons of lvl 70 guards between you and them :D

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Old 11/28/06, 3:10 PM   #17
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Bear in mind that you'll need to get revered with a specific faction in order to do a given heroic mode dungeon.

Originally Posted by Tigole
For testing purposes, the reputation requirement for the Heroic Difficulty dungeons will be reduced to Neutral. The reputation will be returned to Revered when the game goes live. Our current intention is that Revered should be achievable by doing the Exterior Zone quests along with 4-5 dungeon runs
As seen here. Even without the heroic mode stuff, it's an interesting indication of how hard they want it to be to rep up. (Although it's not clear how this applies to factions that aren't associated with instances, like the Sporeggar.)

Also, in the OP, it's Zangarmarsh with a "Z".

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Old 11/28/06, 3:10 PM   #18
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The rep rewards are not the best items (arena and dungeons for those), but it does give a solo/small grouping player some pretty decent items to get.

The good thing for solo players is you can get revered with the different factions pretty easily (compared to now).

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Old 11/28/06, 3:12 PM   #19
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The shoulder enchants are slightly different from Aldor/Scryers. Nothing much, but if people are rolling enchanting for the sole purpose of +8 to all stats... Saphiron's are still better if a monumental bitch to get, and no +hp tank enchant (like saphiron) is offered.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:21 PM   #20
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Assuming everyone in the group needs a key (I'm not positive if it's 1-per-person or 1-per-group yet), you'll be atleast grinding a bit of rep up to the point that you can buy the Heroic keys for the instances.

I believe they're all at Revered, which won't require a ton of grinding, but you won't just be at revered from questing, unless you happened to do the instances quite a bit along the way.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:28 PM   #21
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Unless this changed in the last patch or so, the Consortium are supposed to send you a package of gems every month once you have hit Friendly with them. At each level of rep with them, the quality of the gems goes up.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:38 PM   #22
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Many of you are noting the relatively rapid repping up, but are reputation gains are accelerated in the beta, and likely to be reduced upon release?


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Old 11/28/06, 3:39 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Illian
Unless this changed in the last patch or so, the Consortium are supposed to send you a package of gems every month once you have hit Friendly with them. At each level of rep with them, the quality of the gems goes up.
That's what the quest text says but I'm pretty sure it's been more than a month since I got that first packet of gems and have yet to receive another.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:55 PM   #24
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You'll probably get that second package of gems right around the time your Goblin Engineering Card expires.

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Old 11/28/06, 3:58 PM   #25
Fendryl
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Many of you are noting the relatively rapid repping up, but are reputation gains are accelerated in the beta, and likely to be reduced upon release?
No one unoffical knows for sure, however, the only dial they've been turning of late for gain rates has been the amount of XP required for each level. From just leveling up via quests & doing most of the instances a couple times in the process I've ended up midway through Honored for just about every faction, and almost into Revered with Mag'thar. The rep gain feels mostly right, though I'd like to see the instances give a bit more rep, Revered takes a bit of effort, but is quite doable in a fairly short time period, Exalted will take a while, but at that point you're also doing Heroics so it should balance out.

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