I wonder why social guilds and hardcore guilds are considered to necessarily separate. It seems to me, that if the guild is to be of any significance, it has to be both at the same time, or its doomed to failure or shortcuts. I guess it just bothers me to see guilds that absolutely tear through basically the entire server, recruiting over and over again to maintain their edge by pushing their members to the edge and then dumping them when they crack. It doesn't seem healthy.

There is something fairly similar on the Malygos server (US-Central PvE), though we only do 20-man content. Basically, a group of folks tired of not being able to raid during their preferred times decided to band together and take on Zul'Gurub. We have members that range from Tier2 Rogues, to PvP-Grind Warlocks, to people that arrived in blues but now wear purples just from ZG and AQ20. Everyone has their own reasons for being there (challenge, fun, rep, gear) and we get along very well. We recently scored our first kill on Ossirian - completing the content in the current game.

Because we haven't had our own /guild channel, we have been able to go through growing pains that usually kill raiding guilds. We had to hammer out an alt policy (which is the most reasonable and flexible I have ever seen), switch from free-roll to DKP, had key players transfer to other servers (we raid with oceanic times on a US server), and even had the dreaded tier-jump agony (ZG -> AQ20 is something of a rude awakening). Because we all have our own guilds (some raiding, some purely social, some in between), our disagreements never boiled over.

We've enjoyed raiding with each other so much that we're very excited about the new TBC content. As of now, the 20-mans are not really progression level stuff, even though both have quite nice gear and are somewhat taxing on raid skills (for us at least). But with KZ being 10-person and the biggest raids being 25, we're looking to recruit a few more people instead of hoping people leave of their own accord.

That said, ZG and AQ20 have minimal farming requirements and even when working on bosses, we would rarely net more than 10g in repairs (blue gear and Tier1 ftw!). I have no idea what would happen if we were working on stuff that required MASSIVE farming to sustain. At that point we as individuals might have to make some decisions about which raid is our focus.

Is this an RP server thing perhaps? AD and ER were the original 2 EU RP servers and it sounds like the 2 communities are very similar (although I've not seen a joke guild with quite as good a name as <and two stealthed rogues>).

To nitpick: Seeing as Razuvious pretty much is done by 2 people (arguably 6) and 34/38 spammers, I'd say it's one of the easiest high end PuG encounters available. It stands in stark contrast to the individual player focus of most encounters from Emps and forward. Anub is really an easier encounter for a hardcore guild, but vastly more challenging for a PuG, since every idiot adds an extra challenge.

I don't see an issue with organized PuGs like this as long as guild leadership knows how to handle it. If your members start prioritizing the PuG over guild raids or necessary consumable farming, it's time to take action. If they still perform well for the guild, it's just another thing keeping your players happy, which is a good thing.