Is it possible to kill Hakkar without killing any priests pre-TBC? - Page 5

Brunswick · 12/06/06, 7:38 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

I'm waiting for someone to post "but couldn't you ping-pong him around multiple ranged classes???"

Originally Posted by Astmathic

On a side note, if you have 20 hunters you could start out with 20 pets as "tanks" that gets 1-3 shotted and then one feign death once every 1.5 seconds. Only thing that would be hard with that is the corrupted blood (can't remember if it's called that... think it is) and the healing needed. Other than that I belive you could pingpong him, at least until someone get's a resist of feign death :)

The wait is over. :)

This thread has given me a something to think about since I expect us to still be running ZG for a little while after the expansion for Idols and Hakkar's head until people rep up/profession skill up high enough to replace the need.

Not to say we would ever put in the effort to attempt Hakkar with all the priests up, but skipping a couple to save time is interesting. Time better spent on leveling.

Astmathic · 12/07/06, 3:44 AM

Originally Posted by Brunswick

This thread has given me a something to think about since I expect us to still be running ZG for a little while after the expansion for Idols and Hakkar's head until people rep up/profession skill up high enough to replace the need.

Iirc from the beta, there are better head/legs enchants from reputation rewards...

• Shalas · 12/07/06, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Astmathic

Originally Posted by Brunswick

This thread has given me a something to think about since I expect us to still be running ZG for a little while after the expansion for Idols and Hakkar's head until people rep up/profession skill up high enough to replace the need.

Iirc from the beta, there are better head/legs enchants from reputation rewards...

Brute · 12/07/06, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Astmathic

Originally Posted by Brunswick

This thread has given me a something to think about since I expect us to still be running ZG for a little while after the expansion for Idols and Hakkar's head until people rep up/profession skill up high enough to replace the need.

Iirc from the beta, there are better head/legs enchants from reputation rewards...

I could be mistaken, but I dont recall seeing anything as nice as zg's +10stam/+10int/+24 healing for druids.... I know I plan on running bloodlord/jindo well into the future until shown something nicer than that.

Lumi · 12/07/06, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by diospadre

We got stage 1 down in an afternoon. Stage 2 being bugged for so long pretty much disqualifies him. The Emps, on the other hand, had us banging our heads against our desks for hours and coming out of one or two days of attempts with nothing substantial to show for it.

Heh, we wiped a whole day to these guys not knowing totems were bugging out the encounter.

Zed · 12/18/06, 9:25 AM

Is it possible to kill 4HM with 4 tanks?

Cluey · 12/18/06, 9:47 AM

Originally Posted by Zed

Is it possible to kill 4HM with 4 tanks?

I think you should ask about that encounter in the thread about it.
I suggest reading the thread first though, as I am sure the number of tanks required was brought up.

On topic, has EJ had another crack at him?
Reading this thread the first time put a big smile on my face as its the sort of thing I would love to try but don't know enough players who would be interested in trying :(

Malan · 12/18/06, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Zed

Is it possible to kill 4HM with 4 tanks?

What in god's name is this question doing in a thread about Hakkar?

Vosk · 12/18/06, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

Originally Posted by Zed

Is it possible to kill 4HM with 4 tanks?

What in god's name is this question doing in a thread about Hakkar?

I thought about asking the same thing, but figured it was just an urge to post farm off the lessers.

Evert · 12/18/06, 10:34 AM

I think the real question is: Is it possible to kill the 4HM with out killing any priests?

♦ Praetorian · 12/18/06, 11:44 AM

Only if you kill Ouro first to weaken them.

Anyway, we haven't gone back, but we may. My original motivation behind the endeavor was proving that it was possible, and I think we proved that. I'm less eager to get an Ancient Hakkari Manslayer or whatever as physical evidence of what I now know to be true.

Vosk · 12/18/06, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

Only if you kill Ouro first to weaken them.

Anyway, we haven't gone back, but we may. My original motivation behind the endeavor was proving that it was possible, and I think we proved that. I'm less eager to get an Ancient Hakkari Manslayer or whatever as physical evidence of what I now know to be true.

Don't lie. I can tell from here that you're simply twitching to acquire a soul corruptor's necklace via kiting hakkar to vael's room.

Zed · 12/18/06, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Originally Posted by Zed

Is it possible to kill 4HM with 4 tanks?

What in god's name is this question doing in a thread about Hakkar?

The basic idea behind that Hakkar attempt was to deliberately raise the difficulty and complexity level of an encounter.
This thread is not only about Hakkar - at least for me - but finding interesting new challenges in "old" content.
I think attempting 4HM with 4 tanks is the same thing. It requires a new level of complexity in strategy and flawlessness in execution. I'd really like to see a video of it.

Regardless, delete my posts if you find them worthless.

GoG · 12/18/06, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

Only if you kill Ouro first to weaken them.

Anyway, we haven't gone back, but we may. My original motivation behind the endeavor was proving that it was possible, and I think we proved that. I'm less eager to get an Ancient Hakkari Manslayer or whatever as physical evidence of what I now know to be true.

Convinced there is no secret loot table?

Kasonic · 12/18/06, 3:16 PM

Sadly if the information-addicted WoW community gets Furor's Crate of Resist Gear and that legendary mount, there's no way they missed secret ZG items.

It's entirely possible there's some kind of bonus line or event, though.

• frmorrison · 12/18/06, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by GoG

Convinced there is no secret loot table?

I am convinced that there is no "extra" loot.

I am sure a designer would drop hints about anything special, especially since the content is about to became worthless (besides getting enchants).

Kalman · 12/18/06, 5:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kasonic

Sadly if the information-addicted WoW community gets Furor's Crate of Resist Gear and that legendary mount, there's no way they missed secret ZG items.

It's entirely possible there's some kind of bonus line or event, though.

Maybe those *are* the secret loot table...

But no, I honestly doubt there's anything special for hard-mode Hakkar. It seems blatantly obvious the priest buffs are in there to force people to kill them before Hakkar, the same as you have to clear all 4 wings before you can go do Sapph and KT; I don't think the designers necessarily expect the kind of dedication people will put into doing something like this.

TL-Seria · 12/18/06, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by Zed

I think attempting 4HM with 4 tanks is the same thing. It requires a new level of complexity in strategy and flawlessness in execution. I'd really like to see a video of it.

It just requires you to redefine the definition of "tank" so you can have certain people holding agro on the "tank" swaps while the real "Tanks" change position.

I mean, just imagine you have all 4 in their corners, each tanked by a warrior who has just now received the 3rd mark. You have no tanks at the safe spot - what exactly do you do that won't result in a wipe?

There are some fancy strategies with only 6 warriors, that probably could be pulled off if +hit gear affected taunt. However, a single taunt resist on a 3 warrior rotation can quickly be a wipe.

Zed · 12/18/06, 7:33 PM

Originally Posted by TL-Seria

I mean, just imagine you have all 4 in their corners, each tanked by a warrior who has just now received the 3rd mark. You have no tanks at the safe spot - what exactly do you do that won't result in a wipe?

This is why I thought it would be interesting, because everyone takes the "tank all 4 in a corner and use the safe spot" approach granted. My solution would be the following (imagine below is the room layout):

A B C
D E
F G H

At mark 2 tanks in corners A and C start moving towards point B, and tanks at F and H start moving towards G. At mark 3 they cross-taunt and start dragging their bosses to the opposite direction. Next round you do a vertical swap (A-F and C-H). Each tank has a group who follows him around the room.

Challenges:

- practically no safe spot
- avoiding Meteor deaths while constantly on the move, and keeping spread out at Zeliek (you always have to know what you're doing, which boss is next, etc.)
- void zones with the whole raid on the move
- managing taunt resists on a new level (especially on Thane)

Meh, you're right, should have posted this in a 4HM thread, though I still think there's a parallel with Hakkar hard mode, don't know how the difficulty levels would compare. I think this would be interesting to do. The idea came up when I read someone complaining about how Blizzard forces raid composition in some Naxx encounters and I started thinking about what the minimum number of tanks would be for 4HM.

♦ Praetorian · 12/18/06, 7:38 PM

Ugh, my own thread and it sucks.

Kaubel · 12/19/06, 7:40 AM

Originally Posted by Zed

Originally Posted by Malan

Originally Posted by Zed

Is it possible to kill 4HM with 4 tanks?

What in god's name is this question doing in a thread about Hakkar?

The basic idea behind that Hakkar attempt was to deliberately raise the difficulty and complexity level of an encounter.
This thread is not only about Hakkar - at least for me - but finding interesting new challenges in "old" content.
I think attempting 4HM with 4 tanks is the same thing. It requires a new level of complexity in strategy and flawlessness in execution. I'd really like to see a video of it.

Regardless, delete my posts if you find them worthless.

I'll just ban you instead. Fucking idiot, shitting up threads. And I'm even more pissed it was a 4H question.

You're lucky it's only a week. Had you asked about Patchwerk, it'd be a lifetime ban.